ಉಸಿರಾಟದ ಹೊಸ ಶಿಕ್ಷಕರು

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Mon, 03/19/2007 - 15:54

ಹಲವು ವರ್ಷಗಳ ಹಿಂದೆ, ಅದೊಂದು ದಿನ, ಟಿವಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಪ್ರಸಾರವಾಗುತ್ತಿದ್ದ ಒಂದು ಕಾರ್ಯಕ್ರಮವನ್ನು ವೀಕ್ಷಿಸುತ್ತಿದ್ದೆ. ಯಾವುದೋ ಚಾನೆಲ್‌ನಿಂದ ಆಂಗ್ಲ ಮಹಿಳೆಯೊಬ್ಬಳು ಕೇಸರಿ ವಸ್ತ್ರಗಳನ್ನು ಧರಿಸಿ, ಯೋಗಾಸನದಲ್ಲಿ ಕುಳಿತು, ’ಓಂ’ ಶಬ್ದದ ಮಹಿಮೆಯನ್ನು ಆಂಗ್ಲ ಭಾಷೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ಬಣ್ಣಿಸುತ್ತಿದ್ದಳು. ವೈದ್ಯನಾದ ನನಗೆ ಸಹಜವಾಗಿಯೇ ಈ ಕಾರ್ಯಕ್ರಮದಲ್ಲಿ ಆಸಕ್ತಿ ಮೂಡಿ ತದೇಕ ಚಿತ್ತದಿಂದ ವೀಕ್ಷಿಸಲಾರಂಭಿಸಿದೆ.

’ನೀವು ಪ್ರತಿ ಬಾರಿಯೂ ’ಓಂ’ ಎಂದು ಉಚ್ಚರಿಸುವಾಗ, ಈ ಶಬ್ದದ ಮೂರು ಭಾಗಗಳಾದ ಒ,ಔ ಮತ್ತು ಅಂ ಗಳನ್ನೂ ಉಚ್ಚರಿಸುತ್ತಿರುತ್ತೀರಿ. ಓಂ ಎಂಬ ಮಹಾ ಶಬ್ದದ ಈ ಮೂರೂ ಉಪಸ್ವರಗಳಿಗೆ ತಮ್ಮದೇ ಆದ ವೈಶಿಷ್ಠ್ಯವಿದೆ. ಈ ಮೂರೂ ಉಪಸ್ವರಗಳು ನಮ್ಮ ಉಸಿರಾಟದಲ್ಲಿ ಮಹತ್ತರ ಪಾತ್ರವಹಿಸುತ್ತವೆ. ಓಂ ಶಬ್ದವನ್ನು ಉಚ್ಚರಿಸುವಾಗ, ಈ ಶಬ್ದದ ಮೊದಲ ಸ್ವರವು ನಾವು ತೆಗೆದುಕೊಳ್ಳುವ ಶ್ವಾಸವನ್ನು ಶ್ವಾಸಕೋಶಗಳ ಮೇಲ್ಗಡೆ ಭಾಗಗಳಿಗೆ , ಎರಡನೆಯ ಸ್ವರವು ಶ್ವಾಸವನ್ನು ಶ್ವಾಸಕೋಶಗಳ ಮಧ್ಯ ಭಾಗಕ್ಕೆ ಹಾಗೂ ಮೂರನೆಯ ಸ್ವರವು ಶ್ವಾಸವನ್ನು ಶ್ವಾಸಕೋಶಗಳ ಕೆಳ ಭಾಗಗಳಿಗೆ ಪ್ರವಹಿಸುವಂತೆ ಮಾಡುತ್ತವೆ. ಹೀಗಾಗಿ, ಓಂಕಾರವನ್ನು ಉಚ್ಚರಿಸುವುದರಿಂದ, ಶ್ವಾಸಕೋಶಗಳ ಎಲ್ಲಾ ಭಾಗಗಳಿಗೂ ಶ್ವಾಸದ ಪೂರೈಕೆಯಾಗುತ್ತದೆ ’ ಎಂದು ಆಕರ್ಷಕ ಹಸ್ತ ಮತ್ತು ಮುಖಮುದ್ರೆಗಳಿಂದ, ಅತ್ಯಂತ ಆತ್ಮ ವಿಶ್ವಾಸದಿಂದ ವಿವರಿಸುತ್ತಿದ್ದಳು.

ಈ ಒಂದು ಅಪೂರ್ವವಾದ ವಿವರಣೆಯಿಂದ ನಾನೂ ಮೊದಮೊದಲು ಸಂಪೂರ್ಣ ಪ್ರಭಾವಿತನಾದರೂ, ಮನದ ಯಾವುದೋ ಮೂಲೆಯಲ್ಲಿ, ಈ ವಿವರಣೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ಯಾವುದೋ ಅಸಹಜತೆಯಿದೆ ಎಂದೆನಿಸುತ್ತಿತ್ತು. ಆಗ ತಟ್ಟನೇ ಜ್ನಾನೋದಯವಾಯಿತು, ಆಕೆಯ ವಿವರಣೆ ಶುದ್ಧ ಸುಳ್ಳೆಂದು ! ನಾವು ಮಾತನಾಡುವಾಗ , ಶ್ವಾಸವನ್ನು ಧ್ವನಿಪೆಟ್ಟಿಗೆಯ ಮೂಲಕ ಹೊರತಳ್ಳುತ್ತಿರುತ್ತೇವೆಯೇ ಹೊರತು, ಶ್ವಾಸವನ್ನು ಒಳಗೆ ತೆಗದುಕೊಳ್ಳುವುದಿಲ್ಲ. ಹಾಗಾಗಿ, ನಾವು ಓಂ ಎಂದು ಉಚ್ಚರಿಸುವಾಗ, ಶ್ವಾಸವು ಶ್ವಾಸಕೋಶಗಳನ್ನು ಪ್ರವೇಶಿಸುವ ಸಂದರ್ಭವೇ ಇಲ್ಲ. ಆಕೆ ’ಓಂ’ ಶಬ್ದವನ್ನು ಉಚ್ಚರಿಸುವುದರಿಂದಾಗುವ ಲಾಭಗಳನ್ನು ಅತ್ಯಂತ ಅವೈಜ್ನಾನಿಕವಾಗಿ ಸಮರ್ಥಿಸಿಕೊಳ್ಳುತ್ತಿದ್ದಳು ! ಈ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ವಿವರಣೆ ಕೋರಿ ಆ ಚಾನೆಲ್ ನವರಿಗೆ ಪತ್ರ ಬರೆದಿದ್ದೆ. ಇದುವರೆಗೂ ಅವರಿಂದ ಯಾವ ಉತ್ತರವೂ ಬಂದಿಲ್ಲ.

ಇತ್ತೀಚೆಗೆ, ಈ ಬಗೆಯ ಅನೇಕ ಸ್ವಘೋಷಿತ ಉಸಿರಾಟದ ಶಿಕ್ಷಕರು ಅಥವಾ ಉಸಿರಾಟದ ಚಿಕಿತ್ಸಕರು ಉದ್ಭವಿಸಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ಪ್ರತಿಯೊಬ್ಬರೂ ತಾವು ಪ್ರತಿಪಾದಿಸುವ ಉಸಿರಾಟದ ಪದ್ಧತಿಗಳಿಗೆ ತಮ್ಮದೇ ಆದ (ಅ)ವೈಜ್ನಾನಿಕ ಸಮರ್ಥನೆಗಳನ್ನು ನೀಡುತ್ತಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ಅವರು ಪ್ರತಿಪಾದಿಸುವ ಮತ್ತು ಘೋಷಿಸುವ ಯಾವುದೇ ವಿಷಯಕ್ಕೂ ನನ್ನ ಆಕ್ಷೇಪವಿಲ್ಲ. ಅವರು ಪ್ರಚುರಪಡಿಸುತ್ತಿರುವ ವಿಧಾನಗಳಿಂದಾಗುವ ಯಾವ ಪ್ರಭಾವವನ್ನೂ ನಾನು ಪ್ರಶ್ನಿಸುವುದಿಲ್ಲ. ಆದರೆ ತಮ್ಮ ವಿಧಾನಗಳಿಗೆ ಅವರು ಕೊಡುವ ಈ (ಅ)ವೈಜ್ನಾನಿಕ ಸಮರ್ಥನೆಗಳಿಗೆ ಮಾತ್ರ ನನ್ನ ಪ್ರತಿರೋಧವಿದೆ.

ಬಹಳ ಸಾಮಾನ್ಯವಾಗಿ ನೀಡುವ ಸಮರ್ಥನೆಯೆಂದರೆ, ಈ ಬಗೆಯ ಕ್ರಿಯೆಗಳಿಂದ ದೇಹಕ್ಕೆ ಹೆಚ್ಚು ಆಮ್ಲಜನಕ ದೊರೆಯುತ್ತದೆ ಎಂದು. ಇದರೆ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಸ್ವಲ್ಪ ಗಮನ ಹರಿಸೋಣ. ನಾವು ಜೀವಂತವಾಗಿರಲು ನಮಗೆ ಬಹಳ ಅಗತ್ಯವಾದ ಮೂರು ಅಂಶಗಳಿವೆ. ಅವುಗಳೆಂದರೆ, ಆಹಾರ, ನೀರು ಮತ್ತು ಆಮ್ಲಜನಕ. ಒಂದು ವೇಳೆ, ಯಾವುದೇ ಕಾರಣದಿಂ ಬಹಳಷ್ಟು ದಿನಗಳ ಕಾಲ ನಮ್ಮ ದೇಹಕ್ಕೆ ಆಹಾರ ಮತ್ತು ನೀರು ದೊರೆಯದೇ ಹೋದಾಗ, ದೇಹದಲ್ಲಿ ಶೇಖರಿಸಿಟ್ಟಿರುವ ಆಹಾರವನ್ನೇ ಬಳಸಿಕೊಂಡು ಜೀವಿಸಿರಲು ಸಾಧ್ಯವಿದೆ. ಆದರೆ, ಆಮ್ಲಜನಕದ ವಿಷಯದಲ್ಲಿ ಮಾತ್ರ ಹಾಗಿಲ್ಲ. ನಮ್ಮ ದೇಹಕ್ಕೆ ಆಮ್ಲಜನಕ ಕೇವಲ ಕೆಲವು ನಿಮಿಷಗಳಷ್ಟು ಕಾಲ ದೊರೆಯದೇ ಹೋದರೂ, ಮರಣ ಸಂಭವಿಸಬಹುದಾಗಿದೆ. ಇದನ್ನು ಅರ್ಥಮಾಡಿಕೊಳ್ಳಲು ನಾನು ಈ ಉದಾಹರಣೆ ಕೊಡುತ್ತೇನೆ. ಜಲಮಂಡಳಿಯವರು ಒಂದು ಪ್ರಕಟಣೆ ಹೊರಡಿಸಿ, ನೀರಿನ ಸರಬರಾಜಿನಲ್ಲಿ ಮುಂದಿನ ಎರಡು ಮೂರು ದಿನಗಳ ಕಾಲ ಅಡಚಣೆಯಿದೆಯಾದ ಕಾರಣ, ಈ ದಿನವೇ ಸಾಕಷ್ಟು ನೀರನ್ನು ಸಂಗ್ರಹಿಸಿಟ್ಟುಕೊಳ್ಳಬೇಕೆಂದು ಸಾರ್ವಜನಿಕರಿಗೆ ಸೂಚನೆಕೊಟ್ಟಲ್ಲಿ, ಸ್ವಲ್ಪ ಕಷ್ಟವಾದರೂ ಅವರ ಸೂಚನೆಯನ್ನು ಪಾಲಿಸಲು ಸಾಧ್ಯವಿದೆ. ಆದರೆ, ಇಂತಹುದೇ ಆದೇಶವನ್ನು ವಿದ್ಯುತ್ ಮಂಡಲಿಯವರು ನೀಡಿದರೆ ಅದನ್ನು ಪಾಲಿಸಲು ಸಾಧ್ಯವೇ ? ವಿದ್ಯುತ್ತನ್ನು ಶೇಖರಿಸಿಟ್ಟುಕೊಳ್ಳುವಂತಹ ವ್ಯವಸ್ಥೆ ನಮ್ಮಲ್ಲಿಲ್ಲ. ಅಂತೆಯೇ, ನಮಗೆ ದೊರೆಯಬಹುದಾದ ಹೆಚ್ಚು ಆಮ್ಲಜನಕವನ್ನು ನಾವು ಶೇಖರಿಸಿಟ್ಟುಕೊಳ್ಳಲು ನಮ್ಮ ದೇಹದಲ್ಲಿ ಯಾವುದೇ ವ್ಯವಸ್ಥೆಯಿಲ್ಲ.

ನಮ್ಮ ದೇಹಕ್ಕೆ ಬೇಕಾಗುವ ಆಮ್ಲಜನಕದ ಪ್ರಮಾಣದಲ್ಲಾಗುವ ಏರುಪೇರುಗಳನ್ನು ಗಮನಿಸಿ ತಕ್ಷಣವೇ ಅದಕ್ಕೆ ಪ್ರತಿಕ್ರಿಯಿಸುವಂತಹ ಒಂದು ಅದ್ಭುತ ಏರ್ಪಾಟು ನಮ್ಮ ದೇಹದಲ್ಲಿದೆ. ನೀವೇ ಇದನ್ನು ಗಮನಿಸಿ ನೋಡಿ. ನೀವು ಆರಾಮ ಕುರ್ಚಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಕುಳಿತು ವಿರಮಿಸುತ್ತಿರುವಾಗ ನಿಮ್ಮ ಉಸಿರಾಟದ ಆಳ ಮತ್ತು ವೇಗವನ್ನು ಗಮನಿಸಿ. ಈಗ, ಕುರ್ಚಿಯಿಂದ ಎದ್ದು ಕೆಲವು ನಿಮಿಷಗಳಷ್ಟು ಕಾಲ ನಿಮಗೆ ತೋಚಿದ ಯಾವುದೇ ಬಗೆಯ ವ್ಯಾಯಾಮವನ್ನು ಮಾಡಿ. ನಿಮ್ಮ ಉಸಿರಾಟದಲ್ಲಾಗಿರುವ ಬದಲಾವಣೆಯನ್ನು ಗಮನಿಸಿ. ನಿಮ್ಮ ಉಸಿರಾಟದ ಆಳ ಮತ್ತು ವೇಗ ಹೆಚ್ಚಾಗಿರುವುದನ್ನು ನೀವು ಗಮನಿಸಬಹುದು. ಇದು ಅನೈಚ್ಛಿಕವಾಗಿ ಆದಂತಹ ಬದಲಾವಣೆ.

ನಮ್ಮ ಮಿದುಳಿನ ಒಂದು ಭಾಗವಾದ ಮೆಡುಲ್ಲಾ ಒಬ್ಲಾಂಗೇಟಾದಲ್ಲಿ ನಮ್ಮ ಉಸಿರಾಟದ ಉಸ್ತುವಾರಿಯನ್ನು ನೋಡಿಕೊಳ್ಳುವ ಕೇಂದ್ರವಿದೆ. ಈ ಕೇಂದ್ರ ಸದಾ ಜಾಗೃತವಾಗಿದ್ದು (ನಾವು ನಿದ್ರಿಸುವ ಸಮಯದಲ್ಲೂ), ನಮ್ಮ ದೇಹದ ಆಮ್ಲಜನಕದ ಅವಶ್ಯಕತೆ ಮತ್ತು ಪೂರೈಕೆಯ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ನಿಗಾ ಇರಿಸಿರುತ್ತದೆ. ನಮ್ಮ ದೇಹದ ಅಗತ್ಯಕ್ಕೆ ತಕ್ಕಂತೆ ನಮ್ಮ ಉಸಿರಾಟದಲ್ಲಿ ಸೂಕ್ತ ಮಾರ್ಪಾಟನ್ನು ಮಾಡುತ್ತಿರುತ್ತದೆ. ನಮ್ಮ ರಕ್ತದಲ್ಲಿನ ಆಮ್ಲಜನಕದ ಪ್ರಮಾಣದಲ್ಲಿ ಸೂಕ್ಷ್ಮವಾದ ವ್ಯತ್ಯಾಸವಾದರೂ ಇದಕ್ಕೆ ತಕ್ಕಂತೆ ಸ್ಪಂದಿಸುತ್ತದೆ.

ಪ್ರಾಣಿಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಉಸಿರಾಟವು ಸಂಪೂರ್ಣ ಅನೈಚ್ಛಿಕ ಕ್ರಿಯೆಯಾಗಿರುತ್ತದೆ. ಆದರೆ ಮಾನವ ದೇಹದಲ್ಲಿ ಉಸಿರಾಟವು ಬಹುತೇಕ ಅನೈಚ್ಛಿಕ ಕ್ರಿಯೆಯಾದರೂ ಸ್ವಲ್ಪಮಟ್ಟಿನ ಐಚ್ಛಿಕ ನಿಯಂತ್ರಣ ಸಾಧ್ಯವಿದೆ. ಪ್ರಕೃತಿ ಮಾನವನಿಗೆ ಈ ಒಂದು ರಿಯಾಯಿತಿಯನ್ನು ನೀಡಿರುವುದರಿಂದಲೇ ಮಾನವನಿಗೆ ವಾಕ್ ಶಕ್ತಿ ಲಭ್ಯವಾಗಿದೆ. ಉಸಿರನ್ನು ಶ್ಯಾಸಕೋಶಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಎಳೆದುಕೊಂಡು ಅದನ್ನು ಐಚ್ಚ್ಛಿಕ ನಿಯಂತ್ರಣದಿಂದ ಧ್ವನಿಪೆಟ್ಟಿಗೆಯ ಮೂಲಕ ಹಾಯಿಸುವುದರಿಂದ ನಮಗೆ ಮಾತನಾಡಲು ಸಾಧ್ಯವಾಗುತ್ತದೆ. ದಿನದ ಅತಿ ಹೆಚ್ಚಿನ ಸಮಯದಲ್ಲಿ ಉಸಿರಾಟವು ಮಾನವನಲ್ಲಿ ಕೂಡ ಅನೈಚ್ಛಿಕವಾಗಿರುತ್ತದೆ.

ನಮ್ಮ ಸಹಜ ಉಸಿರಾಟದಲ್ಲಿ ಉಚ್ಚ್ವಾಸ ಮತ್ತು ನಿಶ್ವಾಸಗಳೆಂಬ ಎರಡು ಕ್ರಿಯೆಗಳಿವೆ. ಶ್ವಾಸಕೋಶಗಳಿಗೆ ಉಸಿರನ್ನು ತುಂಬುವ ಉಚ್ಚ್ವಾಸ ಕ್ರಿಯೆಯು ಸಚೇತಕವಾದ ಕ್ರಿಯೆಯಾಗಿದ್ದರೆ, ಉಸಿರನ್ನು ಹೊರಬಿಡುವ ನಿಶ್ವಾಸ ಕ್ರಿಯೆಯು ನಿರಾಯಾಸ ಕ್ರಿಯೆಯಾಗಿರುತ್ತದೆ. ಅರ್ಥಾತ್, ಶ್ವಾಸಕೋಶದಿಂದ ಉಸಿರನ್ನು ಹೊರದೂಡುವ ಕ್ರಿಯೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ನಾವು ಎಳ್ಳಷ್ಟು ಶಕ್ತಿಯನ್ನೂ ವ್ಯಯಿಸುವ ಅಗತ್ಯವಿಲ್ಲ. ಒಂದು ಬಲೂನಿಗೆ ಗಾಳಿ ತುಂಬುವ ಪ್ರಕ್ರಿಯೆಗೆ ಇದನ್ನು ಹೋಲಿಸಬಹುದು. ಬಲೂನಿನಲ್ಲಿ ಗಾಳಿಯನ್ನು ತುಂಬುವಾಗ ನಾವು ಸ್ವಲ್ಪ ಶ್ರಮ ವಹಿಸಬೇಕಾಗುತ್ತದೆ. ಆದರೆ, ಬಲೂನಿನ ಬಾಯಿಯನು ತೆರೆದಕೂಡಲೇ, ಬಲೂನಿನ ರಬ್ಬರಿನ ಸ್ಥಿತಿಸ್ಥಾಪಕ ಗುಣದಿಂದ, ಗಾಳಿಯು ಯಾವ ಶ್ರಮವಿಲ್ಲದೇ ಹೊರದೂಡಲ್ಪಡುತ್ತದೆ. ಕಪಾಲಭಾತಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ನಾವು ಉಚ್ಚ್ವಾಸ ಮತ್ತು ನಿಶ್ವಾಸಗಳೆರಡಕ್ಕೂ ಶಕ್ತಿಯನ್ನು ವ್ಯಯಿಸಬೇಕಾಗುತ್ತದೆ. ನಿಶ್ವಾಸಕ್ಕಾಗಿ, ಕೆಲವು ಬಲವಾದ ಸ್ನಾಯುಗಳನ್ನು ಬಳಸುವುದರಿಂದ , ಬಹಳಷ್ಟು ಶಕ್ತಿ ವ್ಯಯವಾಗುತ್ತದೆ. ಹೀಗಾಗಿ, ಕಪಾಲಭಾತಿಯು ಒಂದು ಪ್ರಭಾವಕಾರಿಯಾದ ವ್ಯಾಯಾಮವೆನಿಸಿದರೂ , ಒಂದು ಬಗೆಯ ಅಸಹಜ ಉಸಿರಾಟವಾಗಿರುತ್ತದೆ.

ನಮ್ಮ ಉಸಿರಾಟದ ಮೇಲೆ ಸ್ವಲ್ಪಮಟ್ಟಿನ ಹತೋಟಿ ಸಾಧ್ಯವಿದೆ ಎಂದು ನಾನಾಗಲೇ ಹೇಳಿದೆ. ಈ ಹತೋಟಿಗೂ ಇತಿಮಿತಿಯಿದೆ. ಒಂದು ದಿಸೆಯಲ್ಲಿ, ನಾವು ಉಸಿರನ್ನು ಐದು ನಿಮಿಷಗಳಿಗಿಂತಲೂ ಹೆಚ್ಚು ಸಮಯ ಹಿಡಿದಿಡಲಾರದಂತಹ ಮಿತಿಯಿದ್ದರೆ, ಇನ್ನೊಂದು ದಿಸೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ನಾವು ನಮ್ಮ ಉಸಿರಾಟವನ್ನು ಅತಿ ರಭಸವಾಗಿ ನಡೆಸಲು ಒಂದು ನಿಮಿಷಕ್ಕಿಂತಲೂ ಹೆಚ್ಚು ಸಮಯ ಸಾಧ್ಯವಿಲ್ಲದಿರುವುದು. ಒಂದು ವೇಳೆ ನಾವು ನಮ್ಮ ಉಸಿರನ್ನು ಕೆಲವು ನಿಮಿಷಗಳಷ್ಟು ಕಾಲ ತಡೆ ಹಿಡಿಯಲು ಯತ್ನಿಸಿದರೆ, ಎರಡು ಮೂರು ನಿಮಿಷಗಳ ನಂತರ ಅಪ್ರಯತ್ನದಿಂದ ಉಸಿರನ್ನು ಎಳೆದುಕೊಳ್ಳುವ ಅವಸ್ಥೆ ಉಂಟಾಗುತ್ತದೆ. ಅದೇ ರೀತಿ ನಾವು ಅತಿ ರಭಸದಿಂದ ಉಸಿರಾಟವಾಡಲು ತೊಡಗಿದಲ್ಲಿ , ಒಂದೇ ನಿಮಿಷದಲ್ಲಿ ಅನೈಚ್ಛಿಕವಾಗಿ ನಮ್ಮ ಉಸಿರಾಟ ಸ್ವಲ್ಪ ಸಮಯ ಸ್ತಬ್ಧಗೊಳ್ಳುತ್ತದೆ.

ನಮ್ಮ ಉಸಿರಾಟದ ಮೇಲೆ ಸ್ವಲ್ಪವಾದರೂ ಹತೋಟಿಯಿದೆಯೆಂದೇ ಈ ಉಸಿರಾಟದ ಶಿಕ್ಷಕರಿಗೆ ತಮ್ಮ ವಿಧವಿಧವಾದ ಪ್ರಯೋಗಗಳ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಮಾತನಾಡಲು ಅವಕಾಶವುಂಟಾಗಿದೆ. ನಮ್ಮ ಹೃದಯದ ಕಾರ್ಯದಂತೆಯೇ ಉಸಿರಾಟವೂ ಸಂಪೂರ್ಣ ಅನೈಚ್ಛಿಕ ಕ್ರಿಯೆಯಾಗಿದ್ದಿದ್ದರೆ ಇವರ ಯಾವ ’ಉಪದೇಶ’ಕ್ಕೂ ಆಸ್ಪದವಿರುತ್ತಿರಲಿಲ್ಲ. ಸರಿಯಾಗಿ ಉಸಿರಾಟವನ್ನು ಮಾಡಲು ನಮಗೆ ನಿರ್ದೇಶನವನ್ನು ನೀಡುವ ಇವರಿಗೆ ನನ್ನದೊಂದು ಚಿಕ್ಕ ಸವಾಲು. ತಮ್ಮ ಉಸಿರಾಟವನ್ನು ಐದು ನಿಮಿಷಗಳ ಕಾಲ ಸ್ತಬ್ಧಗೊಳಿಸಿ ಉಸಿರಾಟದ ಮೇಲೆ ತಮಗಿರುವ ಪ್ರಭುತ್ವವನ್ನು ಮನದಟ್ಟು ಮಾಡಿಕೊಡಲಿ. ಟಿವಿಯ ಇನ್ನೊಂದು ಚಾನೆಲ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ಮತ್ತೊಬ್ಬ ’ಉಸಿರಾಟದ ಶಿಕ್ಷಕರು’ ಈ ರೀತಿ ಹೇಳುತ್ತಿದ್ದರು. ’ನೀವು ಉಸಿರಾಡುವಾಗ ನಿಮ್ಮ ಹೊಟ್ಟೆಯ ಭಾಗ ಹಿಂದೆ ಮುಂದೆ ಚಲಿಸುತ್ತಿದ್ದರೆ, ನೀವು ಉಸಿರಾಡುವ ವಿಧಾನ ಸರಿಯಿಲ್ಲ’ ಎಂದು. ಈ ಹೇಳಿಕೆಯೂ ಸರಿಯಲ್ಲ. ನಮಗೆ ಇನ್ನೂ ಸ್ಪಷ್ಟವಾಗಿರದ ಕಾರಣಗಳಿಂದ, ಪುರುಷರು ಉಸಿರಾಡುವಾಗ ಹೊಟ್ಟೆಯ ಭಾಗ ಪ್ರಧಾನವಾಗಿ ಚಲಿಸಿದರೆ, ಸ್ತ್ರೀಯರು ಉಸಿರಾಡುವಾಗ ಎದೆಯ ಭಾಗ ಪ್ರಧಾನವಾಗಿ ಚಲಿಸುವುದು ಸಹಜವಾಗಿದೆ.

ಈ ಉಸಿರಾಟದ ಶಿಕ್ಷಕರ ನೆರವಿಲ್ಲದೇ , ಇದುವರೆಗೂ ಮನುಜ ಕುಲ ಅದು ಹೇಗೆ ಉಳಿದುಕೊಂಡು ಬಂದಿದೆಯೋ ಎಂದು ನನಗೆ ಕೆಲವೊಮ್ಮೆ ಅಚ್ಚರಿಯಾಗುತ್ತದೆ !

ಅದೇನೇ ಇರಲಿ, ಒಟ್ಟಾರೆ ಹೇಳುವುದಾದರೆ, ನಮ್ಮ ಉಸಿರಾಟದ ಉಸ್ತುವಾರಿಯನ್ನು ನಾವು ನೋಡಿಕೊಳ್ಳುವ ಅಗತ್ಯವಿಲ್ಲ. ಅದಕ್ಕೆ ಪ್ರಕೃತಿಯೇ ಸೂಕ್ತ ವ್ಯವಸ್ಥೆಯನ್ನು ಮಾಡಿದೆ. ನಾವು ನೆಮ್ಮದಿಯಿಂದ ಉಸಿರಾಡಿದರೆ ಅಷ್ಟೇ ಸಾಕು !

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Feb

2010

7:51

its good

skakkilaya

Dec

2007

9:05

ರಾಮದೇವನ ಶಿಬಿರದಲ್ಲಿ ಬಾಲಕ ಸತ್ತದ್ದು

ಕಳೆದ ಜನವರಿ ಮೂರರಂದು ಭುವನೇಶ್ವರದಲ್ಲಿ ರಾಮದೇವನು ನಡೆಸಿದ ಯೋಗ ಶಿಬಿರದಲ್ಲಿ ಹೃದ್ರೋಗದಿಂದ ಬಳಲುತ್ತಿದ್ದ ಬಾಲಕನೊಬ್ಬ ರಾಮದೇವನ ಮಾತನ್ನು ನಂಬಿ ಯೋಗವನ್ನು ಮಾಡಿ, ಶಿಬಿರದಲ್ಲಿ ಸಾವನ್ನಪ್ಪಿದ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ವರದಿಯಾಗಿದೆ.
ಇಲ್ಲಿ ನೋಡಿ:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1042573.cms

ಮೊದಲು ಇದನ್ನು ಅಲ್ಲಗಳೆದರೂ, ಮರುದಿನ ರಾಮದೇವನ ಹೇಳಿಕೆಯೇ ಬೀರೆಯಾಗಿತ್ತು - ಯೋಗವನ್ನು ಅತಿಯಾಗಿ ಮಾಡುವುದು ಅಪಾಯಕರ ಎಂದು ಅವನೇ ಹೇಳಿಬಿಟ್ಟ!
ಇಲ್ಲಿ ನೋಡಿ:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1055735.cms

ಯಾವುದು ಸರಿ, ಯಾವುದು ಅತಿ ಎಂದು ತಿಳಿಯಬೇಕಾದರೆ ಅವನನ್ನೇ ಕೇಳಬೇಕೇನೋ! ಅಥವಾ ಅವನ "ಸಂಶೋಧನೆಗಳನ್ನು" ನಂಬಬೇಕೇನೋ! ಹೇಗಿದ್ದರೂ, ಯೋಗದಿಂದ ಅಪಾಯವೂ ಇದೆ ಎಂದು ರಾಮದೇವನೇ ಹೇಳಿರುವುದರಿಂದ ಅದನ್ನು ಶ್ರುತಪಡಿಸಲು ಬೇರಾರೂ ಸಂಶೋಧನೆಗಳನ್ನು ನಡೆಸುವ ಅಗತ್ಯವಿಲ್ಲವೇನೋ?

Mrutyunjaya

Dec

2007

10:20

Whats the point.

Sir,

I hope you are not trying to make me understand the ill effects of those breathing exercises by citing the examples.

How many healthy people have been killed by the these so called modern doctors by their ignorance? you get atleast ten cases everyday.

Point is not that.

Point is, is it bad? if yes, then what the researches carried out at Institute Of Aviation Medicine prove? What about the people who get treated there and get well. Does that prove something.

What about the people who are cured of their chronicle ailments?

Do you want to tell us that the breathing exercises can only kill and have no healing effects?

Kindly concentrate on explaining these things and to do that you can cite "N" number of examples to drive your point but certainly not to pour venom on someone.

And why not? why not the researches be done on something that needs to be ascertained (Proved/disproved) again and again by repeated tests.

Sir, in your other response you have quoted so many doctors and organisations having questioned Mr. Ramdev. And you feel you do not have to do that again.

Thats all! your responsibility ends there? What ever you are today in this society, is it not because of those poor people out there? dont you have any responsibilty towards them, when an outsider is coming and trying to teach them the methods of killing themselves?

Tell me, can i face him? do i have the required knowledge to counter him? certainly not. Its you and the people like you must face him, challenge him and stop him. Here comes the role of your knowledge, experience, and your position in the society. And when the oportunity is presented itself to serve your own people because of whom you are there, then you are trying to explain to me that you dont have to do anything about this.

So let the gullible public be robbed of their time , money, and health. Then you can always lecture them about the ill effects of those exercises when they return to you after charging those consultation fees. (i dont know if you charge the consultation fees, if not my apologies).

So Baba benefits, you benefit, and damn the public.

Regards
Mrutyunjaya Mathad

shrikanthnh

Dec

2007

12:48

Oxygen therapy and benifits

Sir,
I would like to add here few clarifications to points added by you. I am not aware of the studies you have quoted which were done at Inst of Aviation medicine ,but as you have mentioned it is with respect to oxygen therapy,positive pressure ventilation and Hyperbaric oxygen therapy. It is pertinant to note that no doctor will ever quistion the utility of these therapies in the situations for which they are indicated and have shown to be of benifit. But they cannot be compared to the breathing exercises of yoga or other such exercises. The air we breathe contains 20-28% oxygen in atmospheric pressure. when we speak of oxygen therapy in medicine it is increasing o2 conc in inspired air by giving oxygen throgh face mask or nose tubes( canula). In patient who has low oxygen like asthma, bronchitis, pneumonia and many many such conditions by giving oxygen we increase the concentration of oxygen from 33-90% in inspired air depending on the method used. it is possible to give 100% oxygen in positive pressure vebtilation and we can increase the oxygen pressure to more than atmospheric pressure in Hyperbaric oxygen (HBOT).They have a very specific indications and limitations and used in the correct situations can be life saving. The benifits of these cannot be compared and extrapolated to the breathing exercises currently under discussion in this blog.when we breathe room air by whatever method we inhale 28%oxygen, may be by deep breaths we can increase the total oxygen inhale by increasing the amount of inhaled air ,but a normal person doesnt need it and as Dr RameshBabu explained in the earlier post we have no means of storing excess inhaled oxygen. HBOT can be life saving in a patient with diabetes and gas gangrene of leg ,but if given for aa normal person can cause harm effects.
Science has a method ,if somebody puts a table in his website and shows 10 names and and 10 blood sugar report and says in one week it fell down and he got cured of diabetes , kidney test showed improvement etc , it is not even fiction, ( even there is a method and logic in fiction) and by no strech of imagination can be called as study by any standard .I have seen on some such programmes where people come and tell that they got cured of cancer ,got rid of tumours etc and if some thing like that ever happened it can be called as nothing less than miracle.
This debate though at some point seemed to be going out of context has brought several issues and shouldd be continued in all seriousness it deserves, as Mr.Mrutyunjaya has said he reprresents public and his opinion is similiar to how the public understands and reacts to such issues and I agree with him that as doctors we are in a better position to understand the scientific basis of such claims of curing chronic ailments etc and can educate public about usefulness or uselessness of any method. But ultimately it is patients choice to seek remedy from whichever system of medicine ,scientific, unscientific, traditional,untraditional ,orthodox, unorthodox,etc etc, . The debate on any topic like this is good but let there be restraint by all concerned ,let it not hurt anybody involved in the debate
Dr Shrikanth Hegde

Mrutyunjaya

Dec

2007

10:18

Thank you

Sir,
With due regards,

Thank you so much in putting in as many words of how i am thinking.

Without sounding to dfend anything/anybody i was just seeking answers to my doubts, thats it. And even now i reiterate that i have put on hold a certain programme of involving my villagers.

Believe me i am not influenced by the swamiji himself, but the ways and methods that he has used (without making them look like some magic-DO AND ACHIEVE), and the people who benefitted from these.
I am yet to get my answers to the questions i raised in the beginning, hope i get them!!

Regards
Mrutyunjaya Mathad

Mrutyunjaya

Dec

2007

2:37

Usiratada Hosa Shiksakaru.

Namaskara,
Whats wrong with this Doctor.
And whats wrong in doing those breathing exercises.
Can the honourable doctor explain us the importance of deep breathing and the effects of not doing it in the longer run.
Like kid, the Doctor throws up a challange of holding the breath for 5 minutes. In the first place is it the teachings that those so called teachers are trying to teach to the AMAYAKAs.
Can Doctor take pain to explain the following and enlighten the gullible public.

1. Whats the lung capacity.
2. Is shallow breathing ok?
3. What happens when man is in habit of shallow breathing through out his life?
4. What are the ill effects of shallow breathing?
5. Is it not true that the shallow breathing renders maximum lung surface area ineffective in the oxygenation process.
6. What are the advances made in this breathing thearapy by Institute Of Aviation Medicine and Tata institute of Medical sciences and how they use this breathing thearapy in curing Gangarine, paralysis etc...
7. How did we get in to habit of shallow breathing?
8. Is it sooooo wrong to correct the things that we are not doing right by some amount of controls and exercises.
9. Does the doctor know that most of the modern health gurus and clinics misguiding the people after squeezing fortunes from them?
10. Has the doctor tried himself or advised anybody about the controlled breathing exercises and known the results?
11. When some good people are trying to do so much that for free, why the doctor is feeling the pinch.
12.This is being practised in around 200 countries now and the benefits are abundant for everyone who has practised it.
13. A regular exercise of Deep breathing, Kapalabhati, and anulom / vilom has cured "N" number of people of the ailments such as Asthama, liver scirosis, Diabetes, BP, much ...much ...more. (For which ...all doctors tell that these can only be managed not cured)
14. If doctor still has some doubts in his mind..he can visit the site...www.divyayog.com. And can watch AAstha channel at 0500Hrs every day.
15. Its high time that all the learned people and specially the doctors who can make or mar the people's lives to come forward and help the "AMAYAKAS".

Jay.

skakkilaya

Dec

2007

9:09

ಸತ್ಯವು ಕೇವಲ ಒಂದೇ ವೆಬ್ ಸೈಟ್ ನಲ್ಲಿರುವುದಿಲ್ಲ ಸ್ವಾಮಿ!

ನಿಮ್ಮ ಅಭಿಪ್ರಾಯವನ್ನು ಓದಿದಾಗ ನನಗನಿಸಿದ್ದು ಹೀಗೆ:

ನೀವು ಆಸ್ತಾ ವಾಹಿನಿ ಹಾಗೂ ದಿವ್ಯಯೋಗ.ಕಾಂ ನಲ್ಲಿ ಹೇಳುವುದನ್ನೆಲ್ಲಾ ಒಪ್ಪಿಬಿಟ್ಟಿದ್ದೀರಿ, ಅವರ ಹೇಳಿಕೆಗಳ ಸತ್ಯಾಸತ್ಯತೆಗಳನ್ನಾಗಲೀ, ಸಾಧಕ-ಬಾಧಕಗಳನ್ನಾಗಲೀ ಪರಾಮರ್ಶಿಸಿದಂತೆ ಕಾಣುವುದಿಲ್ಲ.
ಈ ಕಾರ್ಯಕ್ರಮಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಪದೇ ಪದೇ ಹೇಳುವ ವಿಚಾರಗಳಿಗಿಂತ ಭಿನ್ನವಾದ ಸತ್ಯವು ಇರಬಹುದಲ್ಲವೇ? ಸ್ವಲ್ಪ ಆಲೋಚಿಸಿ.
ನಾವು ಸರಿಯಾಗಿ ಉಸಿರಾಡುತ್ತಿಲ್ಲ, ಅದನ್ನು ಮರೆತೇ ಬಿಟ್ಟಿದ್ದೇವೆ, ನಮ್ಮ ಉಸಿರಾಟವು ಸಾಕಷ್ಟು ಆಳವಾಗಿಲ್ಲ ಎಂಬಿತ್ಯಾದಿ ಹೇಳಿಕೆಗಳು ಅವರು ಕಲಿಸಿಕೊಡುವ ಉಸಿರಾಟವೇ ಸರಿಯಾದದ್ದು ಎಂದು ನಿಮ್ಮನ್ನು ಮರುಳುಗೊಳಿಸಲು ಹಾಕಿರುವ ಪೀಠಿಕೆಯಲ್ಲದೆ ಬೇರೇನಲ್ಲ. ಅದನ್ನೇ ಡಾ|ರಮೇಶಬಾಬು ತಮ್ಮ ಲೇಖನದಲ್ಲಿ ಬರೆದಿದ್ದಾರೆ, ಇನ್ನೊಮ್ಮೆ ಓದಿ.

ಇನ್ನು ಯೋಗದಿಂದ ಎಲ್ಲಾ ರೋಗಗಳನ್ನು ಗುಣಪಡಿಸಬಹುದೆಂದಾದರೆ ಆಸ್ಪತ್ರೆಗಳಾಗಲೀ, ವೈದ್ಯರಾಗಲೀ ಅಗತ್ಯವೇ ಇಲ್ಲ. ರಾಮದೇವ್ ಅವರು ಕೂಡಾ ದೇಶದ ಅತ್ಯುನ್ನತ ವೈದ್ಯಸಂಸ್ಥೆಗಳಲ್ಲೊಂದಾದ ಎಐಐಎಂಎಸ್ ಅನ್ನು ಮುಚ್ಚುವಂತೆ ಈಗಾಗಲೇ ಹೇಳಿರುವುದು ವರದಿಯಾಗಿದೆ. ತಾನು ಸಾಕಷ್ಟು ಸಂಶೋಧನೆಗಳನ್ನು ಮಾಡಿದ್ದೇನೆಂದು ಹೇಳಿಕೊಳ್ಳುತ್ತಿರುವ ರಾಮದೇವ, ಅವುಗಳ ವಿವರಗಳನ್ನು ಬಹಿರಂಗ ಪಡಿಸಿದರೆ ಎಲ್ಲರಿಗೂ ಒಳ್ಳೆಯದಾದೀತು. ಅದರ ಬದಲು ಮಾನವ ಎಲುಬುಗಳ ಭಸ್ಮವನ್ನು ಬೆರೆಸಿರುವ ಔಷಧಗಳನ್ನು ಮಾರಿ, ಸಾವಿರಗಟ್ಟಲೆ ಜನರಿಂದ ಸಾವಿರಗಟ್ಟಲೆ ಶುಲ್ಕವನ್ನು ಪಡೆದು ಶಿಬಿರಗಳನ್ನು ನಡೆಸಿ ಊರೂರು ತಿರುಗುವುದೇಕೆ?

Mrutyunjaya

Dec

2007

1:03

Truth

Sir,

ಅದರ ಬದಲು ಮಾನವ ಎಲುಬುಗಳ ಭಸ್ಮವನ್ನು ಬೆರೆಸಿರುವ ಔಷಧಗಳನ್ನು ಮಾರಿ, ಸಾವಿರಗಟ್ಟಲೆ ಜನರಿಂದ ಸಾವಿರಗಟ್ಟಲೆ ಶುಲ್ಕವನ್ನು ಪಡೆದು ಶಿಬಿರಗಳನ್ನು ನಡೆಸಿ ಊರೂರು ತಿರುಗುವುದೇಕೆ?

As i said earlier Baba Ramdev, does not recommend any of his medicines as the first line of defense. He says that 90% of the problems will be solved by Pranayama alone. And I have seen this happen.

As per the allegations and they being already called bluff by the tests is already known. Just check the links that are here.
http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2006/01/swami-ramdev-has-reds-on-run.html
http://mboard.rediff.com/board/board.php?boardid=news2006jan05ramdev&pag...

Regards
Jay

karababu

Dec

2007

10:05

To Sri. Mrutyunjaya,

Sir,
I am very happy to learn that you and many of your family members have benefited from Pranayama. Please continue your practice and do continue to get the benefit. i have never advised against it in my article. If you read my article carefully you will find the theme of my article simply is this '1. The way we breathe is something we do naturally and the nature has built in systems in our body to see that we always breathe appropriately. We need not be taught as to how we should breathe. If it was very necessary for us to learn the proper technique of breathing then how did the whole mankind have survived for millenia without ever being taught about ?" 2. As I have already said again, one need not give pseudo scientific explanations . In our body system we have no means of storing extra oxygen as we have for storing extra food. You can get both of my above statements verified from any teacher in physiology . .
In case you do not know any, I shall try to meet you when I happen to be in Bangalore and we can have a discussion on this with a physiologist. I have quoted the examples of a few people who did not benefit from Pranayama only because you have brought up this issue of pranayama advocated by Sri. Ramdev. It
is not my intention to condemn any practice but try to refute only when someone explains an unscientific thought on 'scientific principles'
Thanking you for your response,
Yours sincerely,
Dr.K.Ramesh Babu.

Mrutyunjaya

Dec

2007

2:41

Dr.K Ramesh Babu.

Sir,
With due respect,
The theme of your article-The way we breathe is something we do naturally and the nature has built in systems in our body to see that we always breathe appropriately. We need not be taught as to how we should breathe.

TRUE....
But is it also not true that due to our ignorance and the demand of life in itself has moved us away from nature? and most that is natural? is breathing not one of them?

How many of us are in habit of shallow breathing and the normal breathing? did we not develop a breathing habit that is not so natural?

Is it not true that Shallow breathing (or chest breathing) causes a constriction of the chest and lung tissue over time, decreasing oxygen flow and delivery to your tissues.

On the other hand is it not true that;

Deep breathing delivers many of the benefits of exercise, including facilitating weight loss. Though not a substitute for exercise.

Forces your lungs to take in more oxygen while expelling more carbon dioxide and gives the heart a good workout - it is a muscle after all - and pumps a quick jolt of oxygen through the cells, even those that may have been operating at reduced capacity.

Expands the diaphragm muscle, the cone-shaped muscle under the lungs, expanding the lung’s air pockets, and massaging the lymphatic system.

Then coming to AAA...UUUUUU...MMMMMMMMM..
When we pronounce them seperately, is it not the fact that our openeing/closing of mouth is totally different in all the three letters, so the air pushed out from the lungs is from different levels-..? when we finish of with MMMMMMM is not the fact that air from bottom level of lungs is thrown out?.. and when we breath in will the air do not get filled in to the bottom of the lungs?
Do this lungs movement has any effect on diaphragm?

Does this exercise (Without having any religious connotation) qualifies to be called deep breathing?

I fully understand that, Real knowledge takes a little effort, a little excavation down at least one level below what "everybody knows." And it applies to me, to you, to everybody else.

But then, if something that is explained by somebody is wrong, is it not the duty of all the learned people to correct it and tell what is right, to the benefit of all the people like me, who just happen to believe in what ever we see in TV and read from the web?.

If the benefits of breathing control are so huge and if they can be handy for all the people and specially poor, why the ignorance. Why the learned fraternity is not doing enough to propagate this simple thing?

If not, then why the gullible public is taken for ride in mass?

Regards
Mrutyunjaya.

skakkilaya

Dec

2007

3:53

ಉಸಿರಾಟದ 'ಲಾಭವೇ', ಇಲ್ಲಾ ದೈಹಿಕ ದಂಡನೆಯೇ?

ನಿಮ್ಮ ಪ್ರತಿಕ್ರಿಯೆಗಳನ್ನು ಓದುವಾಗ ಬಾಬಾ ರಾಮದೇವನ ಮಾತುಗಳಿಂದ ಹಾಗೂ ಆತನ ಟಿವಿ ಬಿತ್ತರಗಳಿಂದ ನೀವು ಎಷ್ಟೊಂದು ಗಾಢವಾಗಿ ಪ್ರಭಾವಿತರಾಗಿದ್ದೀರೆಂಬುದು ಸ್ಪಷ್ಟವಾಗಿ ವ್ಯಕ್ತವಾಗುತ್ತದೆ. ಹಾಗಿರುವಾಗ ನಾವು ಒಂದಿಬ್ಬರು ಈ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಏನೇ ಬರೆದರೂ ಅದು ನಿಮ್ಮನ್ನು ತಲುಪುವುದಕ್ಕೆ ಸ್ವಲ್ಪ ಕಷ್ಟವೇ ಆಗಬಹುದು.

ನಮ್ಮ ಉಸಿರಾಟದ ಮೂಲಕ ನಾವು ಆಮ್ಲಜನಕವನ್ನು ಒಳ ಸೇವಿಸಿ ನಮ್ಮ ದೇಹದ ಉಪಾಪಚಯ ಕ್ರಿಯೆಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ತಯಾರಾದ ಅಂಗಾರಾಮ್ಲವನ್ನು ಹೊರಗೆ ವಿಸರ್ಜಿಸುತ್ತೇವೆ. ಇದು ನಿಮಗೂ ಗೊತ್ತಿದೆ. ಈ ಪ್ರಕ್ರಿಯೆಯು ಸಾಮಾನ್ಯವಾಗಿ ನಮಗರಿವಿಲ್ಲದೆಯೇ, ನಮ್ಮ ಸ್ವಪ್ರಯತ್ನದ ಅಗತ್ಯವಿಲ್ಲದೆಯೇ ನಡೆಯುತ್ತಿರುತ್ತದೆ. ನಮಗೆ ದೊರೆಯುತ್ತಿರುವ ಆಮ್ಲಜನಕದ ಪ್ರಮಾಣವು ಸಾಕಷ್ಟಿಲ್ಲದಿದ್ದರೆ ಅಥವಾ ನಮ್ಮ ರಕ್ತದಲ್ಲಿ ಅಂಗಾರಮ್ಲದ ಪ್ರಮಾಣವು ಹೆಚ್ಚಿದರೆ ನಮ್ಮ ಉಸಿರಾಟದ ಆಳವನ್ನೂ, ಗತಿಯನ್ನೂ ಅಗತ್ಯಕ್ಕೆ ತಕ್ಕಂತೆ ಹೆಚ್ಚಿಸುವ ಸ್ವಯಂಚಾಲಿತ ವ್ಯವಸ್ಥೆಯು ನಮ್ಮೊಳಗೇ ಇದ್ದು ಅದು ಸದಾ ಜಾಗೃತವಾಗಿದ್ದುಕೊಂಡು ತನ್ನ ಕೆಲಸವನ್ನು ಮಾಡುತ್ತಿರುತ್ತದೆ. ಈ ವ್ಯವಸ್ಥೆಯಲ್ಲೇನಾದರೂ ತೊಂದರೆಯಾದಾಗ ರೋಗಲಕ್ಷಣಗಳೂ ಉಂಟಾಗುತ್ತವೆ.

ನಾವು ಸ್ವಯಂಪ್ರೇರಿತರಾಗಿ ಉಸಿರಾಟದ ಗತಿಯನ್ನೂ, ಆಳವನ್ನೂ ಬದಲಿಸಿದರೆ, ಈ ವ್ಯವಸ್ಥೆಯ ಮೇಲೆಯೂ ಪರಿಣಾಮವುಂಟಾಗುತ್ತದೆ. ಉದಾಹರಣೆಗೆ ನೀವು ಹೇಳಿದಂತೆ, ಆಳವಾಗಿಯೂ, ವೇಗವಾಗಿಯೂ ಉಸಿರಾಡುವುದರಿಂದ ಏನಾಗುತ್ತದೆಯೆಂದು ನೋಡಿ: ಆ ರೀತಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಸ್ವಲ್ಪ ಹೊತ್ತು ಉಸಿರಾಡಿದಾಗ (ಇದನ್ನು hyperventilation ಎನ್ನುತ್ತೇವೆ) ಆಮ್ಲಜನಕವು ರಕ್ತವನ್ನು ಸೇರುವುದಕ್ಕಿಂತ ಹೆಚ್ಚಾಗಿ ರಕ್ತದಲ್ಲಿರುವ ಅಂಗಾರಾಮ್ಲದ ವಿಸರ್ಜನೆಯು ಬಹಳಷ್ಟು ಹೆಚ್ಚುತ್ತದೆ [ಅಂಗಾರಾಮ್ಲವು ಆಮ್ಲಜನಕಕ್ಕಿಂತ ಹೆಚ್ಚು ಸುಲಭವಾಗಿ ಶ್ವಾಸಕೋಶಗಳ ಮೂಲಕ ವಿಸರಣಗೊಳ್ಳುವುದೇ (diffusion) ಇದಕ್ಕೆ ಕಾರಣ]. ಇದರಿಂದಾಗಿ ರಕ್ತದಲ್ಲಿ ಅಂಗಾರಾಮ್ಲದ ಪ್ರಮಾಣವು ತಗ್ಗುತ್ತದೆ, ರಕ್ತದ pH ಹೆಚ್ಚಿ ರಕ್ತದ ಕ್ಷಾರತ್ವವು ಹೆಚ್ಚುತ್ತದೆ. ಇದನ್ನು ನಾವು respiratory alkalosis ಎನ್ನುತ್ತೇವೆ. ಹೀಗಾದಾಗ ದೇಹದ ವಿವಿಧ ಅಂಗಗಳಿಗೆ ಆಮ್ಲಜನಕವನ್ನು ಬಳಸಿಕೊಳ್ಳಲು ಕಷ್ಟವಾಗುತ್ತದೆ. (ಅಂದರೆ ಬಾಬಾರವರು ಹೇಳುತ್ತಿರುವುದಕ್ಕೆ ತೀರಾ ವಿರುಧ್ಧವಾದ ಪ್ರಕ್ರಿಯೆಯು ದೇಹದೊಳಗೆ ನಡೆಯುತ್ತದೆ). ಇನ್ನೊಂದೆಡೆ, ಹೆಚ್ಚಿರುವ ಕ್ಷಾರತ್ವವನ್ನು ಸರಿಪಡಿಸಲಿಕ್ಕಾಗಿ ಮೂತ್ರಪಿಂಡಗಳು ಹೆಚ್ಚು ಶ್ರಮಿಸಬೇಕಾಗುತ್ತದೆ ಮತ್ತು ಈ ಸ್ಥಿತಿಯು ಹೀಗೇಯೇ ಮುಂದುವರಿದರೆ ಅಥವಾ ಪದೇ ಪದೇ ಘಟಿಸುತ್ತಿದ್ದರೆ, ದೇಹವು ಮೇದಸ್ಸಿನ ಅಪಚಯವನ್ನು ಹೆಚ್ಚಿಸಿ ಕ್ಷಾರೀಯತೆಗೆ ವಿರುಧ್ಧವಾಗಿ ಅಮ್ಲಗಳ ಉತ್ಪಾದನೆಯನ್ನು ಹೆಚ್ಚಿಸಿಕೊಳ್ಳುತ್ತದೆ. ಇದರಿಂದಾಗಿ ದೇಹತೂಕದಲ್ಲಿ ಇಳಿಕೆಯಾಗಬಹುದು. ಒಟ್ಟಿನಲ್ಲಿ ಪ್ರಕೃತಿಸಹಜವಾದ ಉಸಿರಾಟವು ಸರಿಯಾಗಿಲ್ಲವೆಂದುಕೊಂಡು ಬಲಾತ್ಕಾರವಾಗಿ ಹೆಚ್ಚು ಉಸಿರಾಡುವುದರಿಂದ, ಆಮ್ಲಜನಕವು ಹೆಚ್ಚು ದೊರೆಯುವ ಬದಲಾಗಿ ದೇಹವು ದಂಡನೆಗೆ ಗುರಿಯಾಗುತ್ತದೆ, ಕ್ಷಯಗೊಳ್ಳುತ್ತದೆ.

ಉಸಿರಾಟದ ಜೊತೆಗೆ ನೀವು ದಿನನಿತ್ಯದ 15-20 ಲೋಟ ಕಾಫಿ ಚಹಾಗಳನ್ನು (ಅದರ ಜೊತೆಗಿನ ಹಾಲು ಮತ್ತು ಸಕ್ಕರೆಯನ್ನು) ವರ್ಜಿಸಿರುವುದೂ ನಿಮ್ಮ ತೂಕದಲ್ಲಾದ ಇಳಿಕೆಗೆ ಕಾರಣವಾಗಿರಬಹುದು, ಆದರೆ ಇದೊಂದು ಒಳ್ಳೆಯ ಕೆಲಸವನ್ನೇ ನೀವು ಮಾಡಿದ್ದೀರೆನ್ನೆಬಹುದು.

ಇನ್ನು ಈ ವಿಚಾರಗಳನ್ನು ದೇಶದಲ್ಲಿರುವ ಎಲ್ಲರಿಗೂ ತಿಳಿಸಲು ಅನುಕೂಲಕರವಾದ ಟಿವಿ ವಾಹಿನಿಗಳಾಗಲೀ, ಬೆನ್ನ ಹಿಂದೆ ತಿರುಗುವ ಮಾಧ್ಯಮದವರಾಗಲೀ, ಅದಕ್ಕೆ ಬೇಕಾದ ಇತರ ಸಂಪನ್ಮೂಲಗಳಾಗಲೀ (ರಾಮದೇವನಿಗಿದ್ದಂತೆ) ನಮಗಿಲ್ಲವಲ್ಲ?

Jul

2010

8:38

I was frerquently affected by

I was frerquently affected by common cold, flu, E N T problems like throat infection, swelling in nostrils etc., earlier. Since last six years, I have been practicing pranayama and drinkinng arka ( ONCE OUNCE A DAY) In these six years, I have never been affected by any of the above said problems. I have slept close to my children who were affected by many viral infections, sometimes got flu, but got cured within a few hours. But these should be under properr guidance.

skakkilaya

Aug

2010

8:08

ಒಬ್ಬರ ಅನುಭವ ಸಾಕೇ?

ನಿಮ್ಮೊಬ್ಬರ ಅನುಭವದ ಆಧಾರದಲ್ಲಿ ಕೋಟಿಗಟ್ಟಲೆ ಜನ ಅದನ್ನು ಬಳಸಬೇಕೇ? ಇದೇ ವಾದವನ್ನು ಆಧುನಿಕ ವೈದ್ಯ ಶಾಸ್ತ್ರಕ್ಕೂ ಅನ್ವಯಿಸಿದರೆ, ಕೇವಲ ಒಬ್ಬನಲ್ಲಿ ಪ್ರಯೋಜನಕಾರಿಯೆನಿಸಿದ ಔಷಧವನ್ನು ಎಲ್ಲರಿಗೂ ನೀಡುವುದು ಸರಿಯೆನಿಸುತ್ತದೆಯೇ?

Mrutyunjaya

Dec

2007

1:09

Breathing

Sir,

With due respect.

You mentioned about me being greatly influenced by one channel, one person. Agreed. But is it not the fact that I am also influenced by what you people had to say and requested you people to clarify? And if that was not so, then why would I take pain in writing all that has happened and happening?

If it was my case alone I would surely have gone ahead without caring what someone tells about it. But here I am trying to involve whole community, so I needed to know more and more.

For that I have been reading lot about these breathing techniques and surely you know how you can take help of Google to find about your subject.

In my extensive searches I got to read lot of good things about the breathing techniques, and also 2 cases about the problems people had because of these yogic breathing techniques (so was mentioned by a Doc). And also here is a case you mentioned about a case of dialysis.

After getting the data base of the people who benefited from these breathing exercises, on my tour around India, I met most of the people who are not the agents of any particular person, but, the beneficiaries. Because this was must for me before I engage a community in to it.

I have watched and listened to the debates being held on these breathing techniques at various places like Europe, North America, here in Delhi with honorable doctors.(up course on TV).

Sir, from here come my sense of trust not the TV channel alone.

On the other hand, to start with you raised a question of using Bones, of which you have not really followed through.
Secondly you spoke about the commercial aspects, of which you have no idea, how the money is spent. What kind of money is needed to air the programme for free.
Now you tell me that you don’t have a channel to tell the truth.
And your reflections do sound like sarcasm rather than inquisitive and explanatory.

Sir, tell us what causes hyperventilation? In the breathing exercises, there are some exercises where in we hold our breath, and, will it not take care of the ventilated CO2?

In Institute Of Aviation Medicine between 1994 and 1998 I was involved (Technical) in research about pressure breathing, Oxygen therapy, HBOT, and got to see fantastic results, and papers were presented at an International Conference of Aviation Medicines.

Can you tell us on how many people were involved in your research of finding about the effects of breathing exercises? And what are the ill effects that were found out including hyperventilation.

And you can always make your findings public and you don’t have to own a channel to publish your findings!! And along with whole Doctor fraternity (Just in your area of work) why don’t you make an effort to counter the ill teachings of the people like Mr. Ramdev and the likes, who, you think are taking gullible people for ride.

And kindly publish your articles and the research findings in such a media where an ordinary man has the access, and this forum is not certainly visited by any ordinary people.

Regards
Mrutyunjaya. Mathad

skakkilaya

Dec

2007

8:49

ನಿಮ್ಮ ಪ್ರಶ್ನೆಗಳಿಗೆ ನೀವೇ ಉತ್ತರಿಸಿದ್ದೀರಿ!

ಸ್ವಾಮೀ, ನಾವು ಬರೆದಿರುವುದನ್ನು ಇನ್ನೊಮ್ಮೆ ಓದಿದರೆ ನೀವು ಮತ್ತೆ ಮತ್ತೆ ಕೇಳುತ್ತಿರುವ ಸಂಗತಿಗಳಿಗೆ ಉತ್ತರವನ್ನಲ್ಲಿ ಕಾಣುತ್ತೀರಿ. ಯೋಗದಿಂದ ಎಲ್ಲಾ ಕಾಹಿಲೆಗಳನ್ನೂ ಗುಣಪಡಿಸಬಹುದು, ಈ ಕಾಲದ ಮನುಷ್ಯರು ಉಸಿರಾಡುವುದು ಸರಿಯಿಲ್ಲ, ತಾನು ಕಲಿಸುತ್ತೇನೆ ಎಂದೆಲ್ಲಾ ಬುರುಡೆ ಬಿಡುವುದನ್ನಷ್ಟೇ ನಾವು ಪ್ರಶ್ನಿಸಿರುವುದು, ಅದಕ್ಕೆ ನಾವೀಗಲೂ ಬದ್ಧರಿದ್ದೇವೆ. ಈ ಹೇಳಿಕೆಗಳನ್ನು ಬೆಂಬಲಿಸುವ, ಎಲ್ಲರಿಗೂ ಒಪ್ಪಿಗೆಯಾಗುವಂತಹ ವೈಜ್ಞಾನಿಕ ಸಾಕ್ಷ್ಯಾಧಾರಗಳನ್ನು ಒದಗಿಸುವ ಜವಾಬ್ದಾರಿಯು ಅಂತಹಾ ಹೇಳಿಕೆಗಳನ್ನು ನೀಡುತ್ತಿರುವವರದಾಗಿದೆ.

ಮಾಧ್ಯಮಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಕಾರ್ಯಕ್ರಮಗಳನ್ನು ಬಿತ್ತರಿಸಲು ಎಷ್ಟು ಹಣದ ಅಗತ್ಯವಿದೆಯೆಂಬ ಅರಿವಿರುವುದರಿಂದಲೇ ಅದು ನಮ್ಮ ಮಿತಿಯೊಳಗಿಲ್ಲ ಎಂದಿರುವುದು. ರಾಮದೇವನಿಗೆ ಅದು ಸಾಧ್ಯವಿದೆಯೆಂದಾದರೆ ಅವನಲ್ಲಿ ಎಷ್ಟು ಹಣವಿದೆ ಮತ್ತು ಅದು ಎಲ್ಲಿಂದ ಬರುತ್ತಿದೆ ಎನ್ನುವುದು ಯಾರ ಊಹೆಗೂ ನಿಲುಕುವ ವಿಚಾರವೇ! ಅವನು ಮತ್ತು ಅವನಂತಹಾ ಇನ್ನೂ ಹಲವರ ಮೋಸಗಳನ್ನು ಜನರಿಗೆ ತಿಳಿಸುವ ಕೆಲಸವನ್ನು ನಾವು ನಮ್ಮ ಸಾಮರ್ಥ್ಯಕ್ಕನುಗುಣವಾಗಿ ಮಾಡುತ್ತಿದ್ದೇವೆ, ನಿಮ್ಮ ಸಲಹೆಗಳಿಗೆ ಧನ್ಯವಾದಗಳು!

Mrutyunjaya

Dec

2007

10:59

questions

Sir,

It seems you are with one agenda. I asked some doubts on some specifics. iInstead of clearing those doubts you are doing everything else. Do you think this how things are debated.

Here is one more doctor who says he will rest his writings, by just citing a case. Are we not supposed to be informed about his findings during his investigations on that particular person. It would be interesting to know whether the dialysis was asked to be stopped on starting the breathing exercises. What did his tests on the person show? did it deterioate just because the person started doing breathing exercises?

When you write something, i clearly understand that you need to do lot of reasearch on the subject, and put forth your findings there by proving something and disproving the other thing.

I dont see any of such efforts.

Mr. Ramdev has published the results of his findings in a book, try to get that and read. And about the results, you have the database in the website, try and get the information and meet some of those people, and clearly he says you do this and find out for yourself.

In case your interest is of how he gets the required funds and how he spends, just one day-only one day you watch this channel you will get to know of his earnings and how he spends, that he clearly announces in public. Else you can always visit Haridwar to know the facts which are open to public.

Mr. Ramdev has shown the results by doing, not by magic.
He has never taken money from me for doing what he has taught me (through Media).
To support his argument he has provided the details of his research works.
And by publishing the details of the people he has enabled be to find out myself to understand the benifits of doing it.
Any medicines are needed, that he has shown me how i can make them at home itself.
And if i was under any medication he has never asked me to stop it, unless my doctor advised it.
He has never shown any contempt to other practices such as allopathy, homeopathy.....
His teachings are never fraught with any DHARMA, or GOD. (As you know in this country you can do many things in the name of GOD and DHARMA)
And i have seen the results myself.
These things do really encourage me to do what he says and trust him.

And now if you say all that is "BURUDE" , you prove it to us with your results, with your researches. Make them public and let the people like me be educated.

Inspite of Mr. Ramdev making his findings public you are of the opinion that nothing is made public. Kindly take pain to search and reasearch and prove your point.

Just citing what is already told in text books wont do any good to us.

And surely you understand that the answer i seek to my doubts is important to me and people like me.

And not the least, Mr. Ramdev is going to be in Hubli from 25 Dec 07 to 30 Dec 07. I would request you to have an appointment with him. You alongwith the team of Doctrs must challenge him for a debate. This i am sure, Mr. Ramdev will agree and also will be aired across globe. So that the people like me can know the truth.

I request you to be straight in answering the doubts, and prove your points. Not that just "Addagode mele deepa ittanthe"

Regards
Mrutyunjaya.

skakkilaya

Dec

2007

11:37

Citation

Dear Mrutyunjaya, Can you be kind enough to provide me the citations of research papers published by Ramdev in peer reviewed journals?

Mrutyunjaya

Dec

2007

10:02

Citation

Sir,

Citation!!!!
Whats it?
I said i have met the people who have benefitted from this across India. And Research works are published in a book that carry the results and the details of people are in it.

And citation is infront you, me, and people like me.

Likewise you clear my doubts. Answer my questions. You always seems to be frettering away from the issues that are related to common people like me.

He is proving his points by illustration. So, i request to prove your points, that all that is said is "BURUDE" so that the people like me are not subjected to those kind of wrong doings.

Specially with your latest demand for the citation - sounds like as if i am trying to defend Mr. ramdev.

Swamy, please understand i am following what he is trying to tell me to do, and am benefitting from it. And before doing that i went across and found out about the substance in what he teaches.

And here comes a person who tells that its all "BURUDE", fine, i am influenced, you have spoken all the text book langauage, fine, but i need more than that. Can you speak about the people by whom you have found out that they are HYPERVENTILATING, their conditions dteriorating, situations worsened by doing these breathing exercises.

Meeting these people and understanding these ill effects is important to to me rather than the citation.

Please understand i can not show the citation and influenece the people in my village. They too are seeing the results for themselves and are encouraged in following what Mr. Ramdev has to offer. And as you are trying to tell that all is "BURUDE" please give me some results of this kind so that i can show them the bad results and make them believe all the BURUDE, and stop some thing catastrophic happening.

So please concentrate on something that proves to me and people like me of this. Citations wont help people like me.

I have seen enough of papers being presented and they being followed by citations and then having been thrown to dustbins. (I dont mean all research works are like that).

So i request you to not to try to prove as if i am trying to defend Mr. Ramdev (i am too small in stature to do that).

You just prove your point not by the text book knowledge but by your work on this so that Mr. ramdev is disproved.

Hope some sanity prevails on the ongoing debate.

Regards
Mrutyunjaya Mathad.

shrikanthnh

Dec

2007

1:26

Life style changes more important ,

The series of comments and replies to this post makes an interesting reading. It is interesting to note that Mr Mruthyunjaya who was taking 15 cups of coffee /Tea per day thereby adding nearly 900 Kcalories to daily intake is sure to loose weight when he comes down to 1-2 cups/day ( 60-120 Kcal ) nearly 90% cut in extra caloric intake .This apart from cessation of smoking which will definitely help in maintaining good health and sense of well being experienced .If the channel or any media or method has brought out this positive change in life style there is no harm but as Dr Ramesh Babu explained that there is a limit for any good thing , like the patient with kidney failure expecting a miracle cure and landing up with emergency dialysis, can be a catastrophe.

karababu

Dec

2007

2:15

Let us agree to disagree!

Sir,
I wish to end this debate at least on my side. Anyway both of us
have our rights to express our views and have presented our views .The readers are welcome to read both versions and accept what
appeals to them.
Thanks again.
Dr.K.Ramesh Babu.

Mrutyunjaya

Dec

2007

10:16

Agree to disagree

Sir,
Do you think you responsibility ends by just telling that "I AGREE TO DISAGREE".
I dont think so. Kindly let the people know of the investigations you did on your ONE patient, did the people in Haridwar advised her to stop Dialysis?. Did they promise the lady the MIRACLE?
Kindly let us know. And on what scale did you experiment to know of the ill effects of these breathing exercises, what are the results?

Please understand its important to me and people like me to know of this, truth will not come out unless the people like you counter all such people with your bit of research work (how ever small it is).

And certainly it will not help, if you learned people are trying to tell the truth in a blog which is just frequented by 3 to 4 people.

Enough people have taken the common man for ridw and are still doing it.

By your writings i can see that you are really concerned. Then please make your findings public and tell them authoratitively.

But certainly do not start something like this and BIG no if you end like this!!!

Mr. Ramdev is in HUBLI kindly meet him , challenge him, do your bit, so that the public is not taken for ride by these people.

Regards
Mrutyunjaya Mathad

skakkilaya

Dec

2007

7:06

Onus is on Ramadev!

Dear Mr. Mrutyunjaya, if you have patience and if you see reason, consider these facts:
1. It is Mr. Ramadev who has claimed the following on his website http://www.divyayoga.com/main.htm

''His Holiness Swami Ramdevji Maharaj is first, in the world health history, to use freely available Pran (Oxygen) as a medicine and in turn remains successful in treating thousands of grief stricken persons suffering from lethal diseases like Diabetes, H.B.P., Angina, Blockages in Arteries, Obesity, Asthma, Bronchitis, Leucoderma, Depression, Parkinson, Insomnia, - Migraine, Thyroid, Arthritis, Cervical Spondalities, Hepatitis, Chronic Renal Failure, Cancer, Cirrhosis of Liver, Gas, Constipation, Acidity etc. which are still a challenge in modern medical science.

His incessant endeavors to measure medicinal value of Pran (Oxygen) will soon give new turn to modern medical science."

Well, Oxygen cures everything, he claims! And YOU have SEEN the results yourself! Good!

2. He claims that his cures have been proved by his research! "Proven yog results", he claims. And this is the research he has quoted on his website:
-Ten patients of diabetes, results of blood sugar done 8 days apart!
-Eight patients and ditto results for cholesterol!
-Cold and flu - "coming soon"!
-Arthritis - "coming soon"!
-Osteoporesis (What is it?) - "coming soon"!
-Depression - "coming soon"!
-Kidney disorders - 6 cases, most are near normal and improvements not significant!
-ECG and pulmonary function tests: No details available, except the mention that results were abnormal and some improved.

If this is the "research" that you accept, you are welcome go with it!

3. The responsibility of proving the tall claims lies solely with Mr. Ramdev - he has to prove himself. It is easy - let him write a research paper on the studies he has done on "thousands of patients" that he has "successfully treated" and get it peer reviewed by experts and get it published in some journals. That is the way to "prove" his work. I have searched ALL the databases of scientific research for articles published by Baba Ramdev and I found not one such paper! Publishing it on his own website or writing it in his own book is not enough! (May be his "research" does not deserve any better place?) But if you feel it is enough and if you are finding the results yourself, you are free to believe him! And belief does not require any proof either, it is blind!

4. We are bound by our ethics to perform any research. Quite a number of papers have been published on the effects of yoga on health and NONE have shown the miraculous cures that he claims. And we have had to treat the patients who have suffered after falling for these gimmicks. We cannot use such suffering patients for any research to disprove Ramdev! We don't have to.

5. Ramdev has been challenged many times in many places and HE HAS NOT TAKEN any of these challenges.
See these links:
Prabir Ghosh face to face with Swami Ramdev, the latest Guru of India
http://www.srai.org/ramdev/index.htm
Ramdev’s Medicines Questioned By Indian Medical Association
http://www.bio-medicine.org/medicine-news/Ramdev-u2019s-Medicines-Questi...

There are some more reports here if you want to read:
http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=44245
Yoga Guru Swami Ramdev and Weight Loss Controversy

http://indiansceptic.org/nov2007/art17.htm
Normal is the best by By Dr. Gauthama Bhat Kulamarva

The latest challenge was at Nagpur by the Andhashruddha Nirmulan Smiti, and as always, he has run away!
So, no point will be served by challenging him again at Hubli.

We have placed the facts before the public. You are free to follow his methods if you feel that you are being benefited. We stand by our assertion that the claims being made about shallow breathing as a cause of all ills is false and unscientific. Also the claim that Ramdev is the "first in the world health history, to use freely available Pran (Oxygen) as a medicine" to cure thousands of patients remains unproven and the onus of proving it lies solely with Ramdev. He is welcome to take up the challenges regularly thrown at him.

You are free to follow the unproven methods and we wish you well! And I will be eagerly waiting for the " new turn" that he is confident of giving to modern medicine!

Mrutyunjaya

Dec

2007

2:00

Responsibility

Sir,
With due regards.

I have gone through the articles in the link you have provided.

Excellent. Whats it you all learned people are trying to do?, just through some challenges of growing hair, curing something, holding the breath for 5 minutes, stay alive without eating?

In the last two months i have never heard something like this from Mr.Ramdev (may be he has modified his talkings), he never preaches about one particular god, I have never heard him talking with contempt to other practices.

Up course he talks of the people about their unscrupulous ways and means.

Sir, tell me one thing, does the same modern medicines work the same way for the same diseases at any condition?.

Is it that all the learned fraternity is busy in deriving satisfaction in throwing kiddish cahllanges?

Are you serious in your endeavor to face such people? if yes then what is being done?
And to my surprise Mr.Prabhari was no where near in challenging position, other that just quetioning some spiritual things, i could not find anything that talks about breathing exercises and their effects (good/bad).

And respected Dr.Gauthama Bhat gives an excellent explanation, that is understood. Then do these breathing exercises are qualified to be called as exercises at all or not?

Do the breathing exercises bring in the changes in anabolic and catabolic activities or not?

What happens to the call given by your very own president-designate of IMA, let me quote him --
"He further urged doctors to act consciously to restrict people like Ramdev from injuring the noble image of the medical profession."
"Is it not shameful that when the national president-elect of the IMA is ridiculed, association members remain silent?"
And also let me quote him-"

After knowing all this, here is a doctor who says "he has nothing to do, and only Mr. Ramdev has to prove everything"!!!

Excellent, let him also rob, and when things go wrong, then enter the modern messaiah and tell the people of where did they go wrong..rob..rob..to hell with the public...right?????

Regards
Mrutyunjaya Mathad

skakkilaya

Dec

2007

8:28

ವೃತ್ತಿಪರ ವೈದ್ಯನೂ, ಮೂರ್ಖರ ಪೆಟ್ಟಿಗೆಯ ರಾಮದೇವನೂ

ಸ್ವಾಮೀ ಮೃತ್ಯುಂಜಯರೇ, ನೀವು ತೊಡಗಿದ ಚರ್ಚೆಯನ್ನು ಈಗ ಎಲ್ಲಿಂದ ಎಲ್ಲಿಗೋ ಒಯ್ಯುತ್ತಿದ್ದೀರಿ.
1. ವೈದ್ಯನಾದವನು ತಾನು ನೀಡಿದ ಚಿಕಿತ್ಸೆಗೆ ಹಣವನ್ನು ಪಡೆಯುವುದಿದ್ದರೆ ಅವನ ಮಾತುಗಳನ್ನು ನಂಬುವಂತಿಲ್ಲ ಮಾತ್ರವಲ್ಲ, ಹಾಗೆ ಮಾಡುವುದೆಂದರೆ ರೋಗಿಗಳನ್ನು ದೋಚುವುದೇ ಆಗಿದೆ ಎಂಬರ್ಥದಲ್ಲಿ ತಾವು ಬರೆದಿದ್ದೀರಿ. ಇದು ತೀರಾ ಬಾಲಿಷವಾದ ಹೇಳಿಕೆ ಮಾತ್ರವೇ ಅಲ್ಲ, ನಿಮ್ಮ ಮನೋಸ್ಥಿತಿಗೆ ಹಿಡಿದ ಕನ್ನಡಿಯೂ ಆಗಿದೆ. ತನ್ನ ವೃತ್ತಿಗೆ ಅನುಸಾರವಾದ ಶುಲ್ಕವನ್ನು ಪಡೆಯುವುದು (ಅಥವಾ ಸಂಬಳವನ್ನು ಪಡೆಯುವುದು) ಯಾವುದೇ ವೃತ್ತಿಪರನಾದವನ ಹಕ್ಕೂ ಹೌದು, ಅಗತ್ಯವೂ ಹೌದು. ರಾಮದೇವನ ಹೋಲಿಕೆಯು ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಅಸಮಂಜಸವಾದರೂ ಕೂಡಾ, ತಾನು ನಡೆಸುವ ಶಿಬಿರಗಳಿಂದ ಮತ್ತಿತರ ಮೂಲಗಳಿಂದ ಅವನು ಗಳಿಸುವ ಹಣವನ್ನು ಲೆಕ್ಕ ಹಾಕಿದರೆ, ಟಿವಿ ವಾಹಿನಿಯನ್ನೂ, ಇತರ ಮಾಧ್ಯಮಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಪ್ರಚಾರದ ಭರಾಟೆಯನ್ನೂ ನಡೆಸಲು ಮತ್ತು ಆ ಮೂಲಕ ಇನ್ನಷ್ಟು ಅಮಾಯಕರನ್ನು ತನ್ನ ಬಲೆಗೆ ಕೆಡವಲು ಆತನಿಗೆ ಹೇಗೆ ಸಾಧ್ಯವಾಗುತ್ತದೆಯೆಂದು ತಿಳಿಯುತ್ತದೆ. ವೃತ್ತಿಪರ ವೈದ್ಯನು ಆ ರೀತಿ ಮಾಡಲು ಸಾಧ್ಯವಿಲ್ಲ. ನಿಮ್ಮೆದುರು ಕುಳಿತು, ನಿಮ್ಮ ಸಮಸ್ಯೆಗಳನ್ನು ತಿಳಿದು, ನಿಮ್ಮನ್ನು ಪರೀಕ್ಷಿಸಿ, ನಿಮ್ಮ ಕಾಹಿಲೆಯನ್ನು ಗುರುತಿಸಿ ಅದಕ್ಕೆ ತಕ್ಕುದಾದ ಚಿಕಿತ್ಸೆಯನ್ನು ನೀಡುವ ವೈದ್ಯನಿಗಿಂತ ಟಿವಿಯ ಡಬ್ಬದೊಳಗೆ ಕೂತು ತನ್ನ ಮಾತುಗಳಿಂದ ನಿಮ್ಮನ್ನು ಮೋಡಿಮಾಡುವ ರಾಮದೇವನೇ ಶ್ರೇಷ್ಠನೆಂದು ನೀವು ತಿಳಿಯುವುದಾದರೆ, ನಿಮ್ಮ ಪಾಲಿಗೆ ಹಾಗೇ ಆಗಲಿ, ನಮ್ಮದೇನೂ ಅಭ್ಯಂತರವಿಲ್ಲ.

2. ಇನ್ನು ಕೆಲವು ವೈದ್ಯರುಗಳೂ, ವಿಜ್ಞಾನಿಗಳೂ ರಾಮದೇವನ ಮೋಡಿಗೆ ಸಿಲುಕಿದ್ದಾರಲ್ಲಾ ಎಂದು ತಾವು ಪ್ರಶ್ನಿಸಿದ್ದೀರಿ. ನಿಜ, ಅದೇ ಮನುಕುಲದ ದುರಂತ. ಉಪಗ್ರಹವನ್ನು ಉಡಾಯಿಸುವ ಮೊದಲು ಜ್ಯೋತಿಷಿಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಕಣಿ ಕೇಳುವುದೂ, ರಾಮದೇವನ ಮಾತುಗಳನ್ನು ನಂಬುವುದೂ ಒಂದೇ ತೆರನಾದ ವಿವೇಚನಾರಹಿತ ವರ್ತನೆಯಾಗಿದೆ. ಯಾವನಿಗೇ ಆದರೂ ವಿದ್ಯಾಭ್ಯಾಸ ಅಥವಾ ಅದರಿಂದ ದೊರೆತ ಪದವಿಗಳಿದ್ದರೆ ಸಾಲದು, ಅವನು ಸುಶಿಕ್ಷಿತನಾಗಿರಬೇಕು. ಶಿಕ್ಷಣವು ವಿಶ್ಲೇಷಣಾ ಸಾಮರ್ಥ್ಯವನ್ನು ಕಲಿಸಬೇಕು. ಅದಿಲ್ಲದಿದ್ದರೆ ಹೀಗಾಗುವುದು ಸಹಜವೇ. ನಾವು ದಿನನಿತ್ಯ ನೋಡುವ ಹಲವಾರು ಸಮಸ್ಯೆಗಳು ಸಂಕೀರ್ಣವಾಗಿದ್ದು, ತೀರಾ ಸರಳವಾದ ಉತ್ತರಗಳಿಂದ ಅವುಗಳ ಪರಿಹಾರವು ಸಾಧ್ಯವಿಲ್ಲದಿರುವುದರಿಂದಲೇ, ಈ ರೀತಿಯ ‘ಸರಳ’ವೆಂದು ತೋರುವ, ಸುಲಭದ ದಾರಿಯೆಂದನಿಸುವ ‘ಪರಿಹಾರಗಳನ್ನು’ ಸೂಚಿಸಿ, ಅವುಗಳ ಹೆಸರಿನಲ್ಲಿ ದೋಚುವುದಕ್ಕೆ ಸಾಧ್ಯವಾಗುವುದು.

3. ನಂಬುವುದು ಅತಿ ಸುಲಭದ ಕೆಲಸ, ಅದಕ್ಕೆ ಯಾವುದೇ ಆಲೋಚನೆ, ವಿಶ್ಲೇಷಣೆಗಳ ಅಗತ್ಯವಿಲ್ಲ. ಆದ್ದರಿಂದಲೇ ನಂಬುವವರ ಸಂಖ್ಯೆಯು ನಂಬದವರ ಸಂಖ್ಯೆಗಿಂತ ಬಹುಪಾಲು ಹೆಚ್ಚಿರುವುದು. ಆದ್ದರಿಂದಲೇ ನಂಬಿಸುವವರ ಸಂತಾನವೂ ಹೀಗೆ ಬೆಳೆಯುತ್ತಿರುವುದು - ಉಸಿರಾಟ ಚಿಕಿತ್ಸೆ, ಅಯಸ್ಕಾಂತ ಚಿಕಿತ್ಸೆ, ನಾಡಿ ಚಿಕಿತ್ಸೆ, ನಿದ್ದೆ ಚಿಕಿತ್ಸೆ ಮುಂತಾದವುಗಳಿಂದ ಹಿಡಿದು ಅಧ್ಯಾತ್ಮ, ಶೀಘ್ರ ಹಣವಂತರಾಗುವ ದಾರಿಗಳು ಮುಂತಾದ ಹತ್ತು ಹಲವು ಯೋಜನೆಗಳನ್ನು ಮುಂದಿಟ್ಟು ಜನರನ್ನು ನಂಬಿಸಲು ಹೊರಟಿರುವವರು ಹೇರಳ, ಅವರ ಹಿಂಬಾಲಕರು ಕೋಟಿಗಟ್ಟಲೆ.

4. ರಾಮದೇವನ ಮೋಸದ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಭಾರತೀಯ ವೈದ್ಯಕೀಯ ಸಂಘದ ಅಧ್ಯಕ್ಷರು ಸರಿಯಾಗಿಯೇ ಹೇಳಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ಅವರ ಜೊತೆ ದನಿಗೂಡಿಸಲು ಸಾಕಷ್ಟು ವೈದ್ಯರಿಲ್ಲ ಎನ್ನುವ ಅವರ ನೋವು ಕೂಡಾ ಸರಿಯಾದುದೇ ಆಗಿದೆ. ಈ ನಿಟ್ಟಿನಲ್ಲಿ ಉಸಿರಾಟದ ಹೊಸ ಶಿಕ್ಷಕರ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಬರೆದಿರುವುದು ನಮ್ಮದೊಂದು ಕಿರು ಪ್ರಯತ್ನವಷ್ಟೇ. ನಮ್ಮ ಸಾಮರ್ಥ್ಯಕ್ಕನುಗುಣವಾಗಿ ಇಂತಹಾ ಪ್ರಯತ್ನಗಳನ್ನು ನಾವು ಮುಂದುವರಿಸುತ್ತೇವೆ. ಆದ್ದರಿಂದ ನಾವು ಮಾಡಿರುವುದು, ಮಾಡುತ್ತಿರುವುದು ಅವರ ಅಪೇಕ್ಷೆಗೆ ಅನುಗುಣವಾಗಿವೆಯೇ ಇದೆಯೇ ಹೊರತು, ನೀವಂದಂತೆ ಅದಕ್ಕೆ ವಿರೋಧವಾಗಿಲ್ಲ. ರಾಮದೇವನ ಬುರುಡೆಯನ್ನು ಬಯಲು ಮಾಡಲು ನಾವು ಪ್ರತ್ಯೇಕವಾದ ಸಂಶೋಧನೆಗಳನ್ನು ನಡೆಸಬೇಕಾದ ಅಗತ್ಯವೂ ಇಲ್ಲ, ಅದು ಸಾಧುವೂ ಅಲ್ಲ ಎಂದಷ್ಟೇ ನಾನು ಹೇಳಿರುವುದು. ಅದರಿಂದ ಹೇಗೆ ಹಾನಿಯಾಗಬಹುದೆಂದು ನಾನು ಈ ಮೊದಲೇ ಬರೆದಿದ್ದೇನೆ, ಮತ್ತೆ ಮತ್ತೆ ಅದನ್ನೇ ಹೇಳುವುದು ವ್ಯರ್ಥ. ತಾನು ಬೋಧಿಸುತ್ತಿರುವ “ಸರ್ವ ರೋಗ ನಿವಾರಕ ಯೋಗ”ದಿಂದ ಅಪಾಯವೂ ಉಂಟಾಗಬಹುದು ಎಂದು ಸ್ವತಃ ರಾಮದೇವನೇ ಹೇಳಿರುವಾಗ ಅವನ ಕಾರ್ಯದ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಅವನಿಗೇ ಎಷ್ಟು ಗೊತ್ತಿದೆ ಎಂದು ಅವನ ಹಿಂಬಾಲಕರು ಅವನಲ್ಲೇ ಕೇಳುವುದು ಒಳ್ಳೆಯದು. ಆಧುನಿಕ ವೈದ್ಯಶಾಸ್ತ್ರದ ಬಳಕೆಯಿಂದ ಆಗಬಹುದಾದ ಹಾನಿಗಳ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಅದನ್ನು ಬಳಸುವ ವೈದ್ಯರೆಲ್ಲರಿಗೂ ಸೂಕ್ತವಾದ ತರಬೇತಿಯಾಗಿರುತ್ತದೆ, ತಮ್ಮ ವಿವೇಚನೆಗನುಗುಣವಾಗಿ, ರೋಗಿಯ ಒಳಿತಿಗಾಗಿ ಒಳ್ಳೆಯದನ್ನೇ ಮಾಡಲು ಅವರು ಪ್ರಯತ್ನಿಸುತ್ತಾರೆ. ತರಬೇತಿ ಪಡೆದು, ಮುಖತಾ ಪರೀಕ್ಷಿಸಿ ಚಿಕಿತ್ಸೆ ನೀಡುವ ವೈದ್ಯರಿಗಿಂತ ಸಾವಿರಾರು ಜನರಿಗೆ, ಎಲ್ಲ ರೋಗಗಳವರಿಗೂ ಒಟ್ಟಿಗೇ, ಒಂದೇ ತರಹದ ಬೋಧನೆಯನ್ನು ಮಾಡುವ ರಾಮದೇವನೇ ಶ್ರೇಷ್ಠನೆಂದಾದರೆ, ಅವನ ಸಲಹೆಯನ್ನು ಶಿರಸಾವಹಿಸಿ ಪಾಲಿಸಲು ನೀವು ಸರ್ವ ಸ್ವತಂತ್ರರಿದ್ದೀರಿ, ನಿಮಗೆ ಶುಭವಾಗಲಿ.

Mrutyunjaya

Dec

2007

10:35

Doctor/Quack

Sir,

Let me make it clear by drawing your attention to my first writing. In that i sincerely asked about the the doubts i had. And again look back and see has any question been answered? no but the things were dragged elsewhere, and how that happened you just look at for yourself.

I am not an agent to defend somebody. I am a "AAM AADMI" who gets fooled by anybody and every body, but the onus is on the learned ones to educate them in all the possible way. Tell me how far did you go in educating me alone, you shall get the answer.

Though point is not about charging for the services, and if we start that, that itself is bigger issue. But since you spoke about the Right and requirement of the Doctors to charge for their services.

Are you really covinced that all the doctors (i have come across and know of many who are exceptionally good and also unbelievably unscupulous) understand their rights along with the responsibility and charge what is only required. If you can honestly reply to this please do it and lets rest this point and concentrate on our issue.

What i want to know is;

Do breathing exercises are qualified to be called as exercises at all.
Do the breathing exercises have any benefits at all?
What are the ill effects of breathing exercises when they are performed regularly for an hour.

Regards
Mrutyunjaya Mathad

shrikanthnh

Dec

2007

1:34

Evidences for Yoga as a therapy

Sir,
I would like to answer your questions from a broder perspective first and come to specific querry regarding breathing exercises.As you know breathing exercises like pranayama are part of yoga which includes 8 prakaras : Yama ( social behaviour), Niyam ( code of personal conduct) Pranayama ,prathyahara, dharana ,dhyana and samadhi. and pranayama is a part of yoga and its benifit have been studied in various situations like Diabetes,Hypertension , and High cholesterol( dyslipidemia) ,asthma , anxity disorders, depression, overweight etc,.. There are many scientific studies published in medical journals, both in India and abroad even in reputed journals like Lancet,British Medical Journal ,Thorax, Chest etc. Systematic reviews have compared various studies and analysed the outcome of these studies.Without going into the details I can summarise there is a reasonable evidence to support the benificial effects of Yoga in the situations mentioned and it definitely needs to be studied in greater detail in Randomised control Trials in large scale.( Randomised control trial means study subjects to be divided by randomising them to two groups -study group which recieve the therapy and control group which do not and after the end pre defined out come points are analysed for benifit or no benifit). But available data published in medical literature suggest yoga is a useful adjunct in treatment of several chronic ailments . Please note that there is no study so far ever published which has shown a miracle cure in these illness as is claimed by people like Ramdev .The mechanism of benifit explained is mainly by relieving stress, relaxation , a decrease in heart rate reponses, a decrease in symapathetic nervous activity ( one which increases our heart rate through release of adrenaline) and not by increased oxygen inhalation . And it includes change in diet and life style as well and to my knowledge no studies have shown any ill effects . But there are report of individual cases where a patient has suffered some adverse event like developing pneumothorax ( a condition where air escapes from lung and gets trapped in chest cavity) after Kapalabhati, development of fractures after asanas, etc but these are stray case reports ,neverthe less underline the importance of being careful while practicing these exercises.
Now coming to your specific points:1 : breathing exercises are exercises as it consumes more energy than normal breathing
2: There are advantages of pranayama in Asthma which have been proved in many studies and also published in many reputed journals like Lancet and BMJ,Chest , Thorax .But I have not come across reports of benifits of only breathing exercises in other conditions like diabetes, etc,
If you search MEDLINE or PUBMED ( www.pubmed.gov) there are number of medical articles on yoga and pranayamas.
3: regarding ill effects , there is nothing which I know of , but I have reports of some adverse events published in journals like the ones I mentioned above.
But I would like to add that biggest risk is a ill informed person who is carried away by the hype in some camps and stops his medications which he was on without consulting doctors and without getting properly checked in the hope that he would be cured of everything .
There are atleast some organisations which are doing scientific work in colloboration with hospitals like the Global Hospital of MountAbu doing research on Yoga in prevention of heart diseases.Vivekananda yoga kendra of Bangalore have published and are doing some research ( http://www.svyasa.org/research/presearch_papers.asp)
Before I conclude it may not be out of context to react to some of your observations.
1. About the claims of Ramadev and your suggestion of doctors to prove him wrong- As suggested by Dr S Kaakkilaya the onus is on the person who claims that he has cured a disease to prove it by doing studies in a systematic way which the world can understand and reproduce the result . Without any prejudice I have mentioned several studies which have proved the benifit of yoga and none of them claim that they have cured anybody of Diabetes or kidney diseases etc. They have studied in few hundreads of patients and outlined benifit in reputed journals. I have also given example of Mount Abu and others who are conducting research on yoga in a scientific way . With millions of followers ,thousands of patients , lot of money and also media power Ramdev can definitely can do a systematic randomised control trial and prove to the world his claims rather than showing vague numbers and less than dozen names as proof of his research(??). Certainly any study is out of reach in individual capacity of a practicing physician like me.
Finally this debate began with post of Dr Rameshbabu ,but if the post is read carefully unbiased he has never reputed the benifits of yoga or pranayama and merely quistioned the unscientific explanation given by teachers of breathing exercises .Even if you read any scientific article which expains the benifit of yoga and pranayama you will realise that there are many people in this system who do not know much but go on explaining in their own way and the post referred to them as usiratada hosa sikshakaru.
Regarding your project of teaching villagers ,I dont find anything wrong , if you are well versed with yogic practices and my suggestion is to promote it as a lifestyle change which can bring out positive benifit in health rather than a panacea for cure of all chronic diseases.Yoga means "union with divine"
bye
Dr Shrikanth N Hegde

Mrutyunjaya

Dec

2007

10:07

Yoga/Thearapy

Sir,
How do i thank you?

Thats exactly what the articles i had read in some of the sites you have mentioned and many more.

So, for me the confusion was between Mr. Ramdev's claims, and the clearly outlined results in those western articles and then this debate (though, now its bringing clarity).

No article really did mention about the miracular benefits. And one more thing, whats happening in almost all the corporate offices in Bangalore is, these very breathing exercises are being practised by most of the employees in their working stations. ( i mean experts are hired by the companies). During my interaction with many employees they too vouch for the changes that occur to them.

and as far as Dr. Ramesh Babu,s article goes i have fully understood and support the views about the ill informed explations being given.

But my contention is when he says we really do not need to do those breathing exercises. That really struck me hard, and at the end of it now i stand educated, and believe me, the credit of educating atleast 1000 people through me goes to you people.

I understand your concern, about the people, whom i am going to involve. sure i shall try and do everything that is in my control to equip myself with the required knowledge and skills so that i can be of little help to some of the poor people back in my village.

Thank you.

Wish you all a very Happy New Year.

Regards
Mrutyunjaya Mathad

Mrutyunjaya

Dec

2007

9:50

ONUS

Sir,

With due regards,
Thats what i wanted this debate to bring out. Educate me, and the people like me. I can see the debate heading towards something meaningful.

Please understand, my interest is solely based on my intention to involve a large community in doing these exercises. Had i not come across your article i may have gone ahead and started. Now i have kept it on hold to have more clarification on these practices. Let me go through the information that you have provided. But my confusion still is, what is it curing so many people and what about the doctors who themselves are practicing and advising the people, and what about the cases of medicines being stopped by doctors themselves, i am confused.

Its not question of belief, or the andha vishwasa, but i have met many people who have come out of the chronicle sufferings. I dont know, doctors like you must enlighten the people like me.

Regards
Mrutyunjaya Mathad

Mrutyunjaya

Dec

2007

3:30

Deep breathing

Sir,
Let me put up my case first;
exactly two months ago i was introduced (accidentally) to this particular channel. the benefits are;
I lost 18 Kgs of weight
I had severe knee joint pain and was advised operation. I was not able to sit, stand, walk, climb stairs. Now i walk/jog 15 Kms a day, i climb up to go to my office (a multistorey bldg) and have enrolled myself for weight training.
My mother in law's complaint about getting flashes followed by head ache have dissappeared. Medicines for BP have reduced significantly.
My father in law who use to loose his balance while walking is now free from it.
my Sister who was suffering for long of thyroid problem and was on regular medication has stopped medicines on advise(whats the name i do not know).
Another sister is free of diabetes 2.
So on.
I have subjected them to these breathing exercises after doing lot of reading and consulting a doctor.
Then suddenly i came across your article- and my response to that article was an outburst, surely not with the intention of questioning your credibility or to challenge your knowledge.

These things have happened in last two months to me and in last one month with respect to my family and friends.

Now what do i do. Stop all this nonsense! and go back to medicines, operations? i do not know.

As far as question of hospitals- who is questioning there usefulness, who on this earth can deny the advancement that has been made by allopathy in the field of surgery and controlling of endemic and epidemic diseases and the treatment in cases of accidents?.
And Yoga (Asanas,Pranayama) as a whole talks about balancing the metabolism and keep body and mind in equilibrium so that the ailments(Vikara not disease) caused due to imbalances of these two are not aggravated.
Out of The abundant information that is available in the web the following link has provided a very well written article. Fact is not because it talks all goodies but it speaks based on its own researches.
http://www.womentowomen.com/fatigueandstress/deepbreathing.aspx
http://www.womentowomen.com/detoxification/default.aspx

You may be right in pointing out that the truth is not within one website, but swamy, you dont really need too many websites, philosopies, principles and practices to stay healthy and happy.

And to look at what the fees paid by haves does to -do not haves at Haridwar.

And what is the commercial aspect of airing a health programme for two hours for free!
And whats wrong, when -almost no medicine is prescribed and if at all prescribed-it is always explained how that can be prepared at home.

If you anlyse carefully what have i written you will understand the psyche of an ordinary man.

Is it not the duty of all the learned people like you to explain and make people like me understand about all the air that is being created about Yoga , Pranayama.

If Pranayama can help in keeping the vikarotpathi at bay and keep a person sound and healthy, whats wrong? and if it is true, is it not the duty of all to come forward and carry forward the researches ahead and help every citizen of this country (world) and see that "no person dies of an ailment just because he had no money to get the treatment" Sri. Ramdev.

Hope truth prevails.
And surely i would like to meet you and get the air cleared about me and my family/friends- continuing these breathing exercises. I certainly am not here to promote but can also not keep wondering about the results that i am getting. Because very soon i want to start these activities in my village too where lot of poor people suffer due to their inability to pay money for their treatment.
Encouraged with my personal benefits, i started it with my near ones. now encouraged with their results i want to see that the villagers are also going to be benfitted.

Regards
Jay.

Mrutyunjaya BM
Manager-Quality
Mack Telecom Services Pvt. Ltd.
Bangalore.

skakkilaya

Dec

2007

8:24

Is it due to yoga?!

Dear Mrutyunjaya, It is good to have this debate on Sampada.
We are happy that yourself and your family members have benefited from the advice that you got from a TV show. But did you also change your diet and lifestyle in addition to doing yoga and pranayama? If yes, what are such changes? Please clarify so that we can take this debate forward.
Also, it may not be advisable to stop the tablets for the thyroid disorder without consulting your doctor.

Mrutyunjaya

Dec

2007

11:43

Deep breathing.

Sir,
Thank you. Yes its just pranayama (We dont practice any of asanas so far) alone. Eating habits have gone through the changes. We are veggies, so no much difference but only we have increased the frequency of intake by keeping the quantity the same. In my case its same, but after i started with Pranayama(In last two months) i was not able (detest) to drink tea/coffee (my intake was minimun 15 times a day since when i dont know!) so i drink a cup of milk (this i had never done since i remember!) and a Mosambi compulsarily. Thats it. About my family members i had advised the same-they tell me that they too have switched over to milk rather than the tea/coffee-rest fried things are rarely used.

9 months ago i had joined a gym continued for two months and the results then were good, but the fat and body weight reduction was not so much then (but i felt its going to take its own time) But suddenly i had to move to Maharashtra on job, and there my smoking went up to 2 to 3 packets a day (which was just 2 to 3 numbers a day through out! but i knew i had to come out of it and was not knowing what to do? then as i said exactly two months ago i came across this channel in the hotel room and i just did what was explained and on the same day i had to kick out my habit of smo & tea ( i detested). Now i feel i am in control of those two habits.
In gym for the same period i could loose 3 kgs after a work out of an hour but here its somehing to the tune 16 to 17 kgs, i am surpriised at the results, and remember my tour of duty (field) used to be from morning 7am to evening 11pm (everyday) and not on a single occasion i felt weak or felt that i am unable to do my duty.
So i really do not know what has happened? but then i did bit of extensive search in the net and got to know so much and thought i was in a right track. But then your articles did really offset me and immediately i called a friend of mine who is Doctor(BAMS) and drew his attention to your articles, but then he assured me to go ahead. Why i was disturbed was, results were there for me to see of myself, but now i have involved all of my circle in to it, and want to do it for the villagers and was really dissppointed after reading the article of yours, because all the way i was thinking about educating the villagers on this and take them along, now on reading your articles i am not so sure as i was a fortnight ago, am thinking that if it does not work, or if the condition worsen..then what do i do.
I for one am sure that there are not going to be any side effects..but am i so sure as you Doctors are? i do not know.

This is where the role of your fraternity comes in to play.

If its really good for balancing of body and mind and if it can keep all the ailments that are due to imbalanced metabolism, then why is it not prescribed to one and all.

And if its not, why the learned people are not coming forward and putting forth their findings, so that the ordinary people like me and the people like what Dr. Ramesh mentioned do not need to go through the trauma of following all the nonsense.

And Doctor thank you for the advise.i reconfirmed from my sister ..and she says she is continuing doing this and also she is under doctors supervision about her thyroid.

Here is one more link ...may be you are aware of it...http://thedoctorwithin.com/index_fr.php?page=articles/articleindex.php

I request you learned people not to feel bad about the language or scorn at my level of understanding, just understand that, this is how a ordinary brain works.

Regards
Mrutyunjaya Mathad

karababu

Dec

2007

9:04

Regarding my article Usiratada Hosashikshakaru

Sir,
In the first place I wish to apologize for the delay in my reply. There was a problem with my browser because of which I have not been able to access this site after I posted my article (other than the English fonts all other fonts were indistinct. Hence I had not visited this site at all during the last so many months. Today my colleague Dr. Kakkilaya drew my attention to your comment posted in this site
Thankfully you have written in English. I could access your comments.
In the first place I thank you for the trouble of reading and providing your comments on my article.
As for the answers to your queries my answers, they can be found in the article itself if only you read it with a calm mind. I have not cast any aspersions on Pranayamas etc. If anyone claims that Pranayama or any other such practice does wonders to the humans I shall certainly not question them. My objection is only for their pseudo scientific explananations. Since you have rasied the question of Sri Ramdev's teachings, I have the following to tell you. As a treating physician I have come across quite a good number of patients who have not had any benefit from such practices but some of them have worsened . Just an hour ago I had to advise a lady to undergo emergency dialysis! This lady was suffering from kidney failure and when it was still in early stages, she and her husband (who is suffering from asthma) went to Hrishikesh and learnt the techniques from Sri Ramdev and were practising these techniques diligently in the hope of being cured of their illnesses. Unfortunately that lady's condition has deteriorated so much that today I had to advise dialysis. Her husband's asthma is also not cured and it is controlled only with heavy medication. Since it is not my intention to mar any one's name unnecessarily I do not want to go into other cases. Since you have raised the name of Sri. Ramdev I have written about him. For all your queries I would be glad to have one to one interaction personally with you. I do not know whether you are close by. Anyway I am at Hubli and I am the CMO of Vivekananda General Hospital. I have provided my identity below. If you care to provide your address , let me see whether it is possible for me to meet you in person. If it is not feasible, please ask some of your doctor friends whether or not some truth in my article.
I remain yours gratefully,
Dr.K.Ramesh Babu,
CMO and physician,
Vivekanand General Hospital,
Deshpandenagar, Hubli.

skakkilaya

Mar

2007

4:41

ಸರ್ವ ರೋಗ ನಿವಾರಕರು!

ನೀವು ಬರೆದಿರುವುದು ಅಕ್ಷರಶಃ ಸತ್ಯವಾಗಿದೆ! ಮಾನವ ದೇಹದ ಎಲ್ಲ ಕ್ರಿಯೆಗಳನ್ನೂ ಈ ರೀತಿಯ 'ವಿವಿಧ ವಿನೋದಾವಳಿ'ಗಳಿಂದ ಹದ್ದುಬಸ್ತಿನಲ್ಲಿಟ್ಟು ಶರೀರವನ್ನು ರೋಗಮುಕ್ತವಾಗಿರಿಸಬಹುದೆಂದು ಬೊಗಳೆ ಹೊಡೆಯುವ ನವಜಾತಿಯ ಚಿಕಿತ್ಸಕರು, 'ಗುರುಗಳು', ಬಾಬಾಗಳು, ಶ್ರೀ ಶ್ರೀ ಗಳವರು ಇವೇ ಮುಂತಾದವರ ಸಂಖ್ಯೆಯು ಇತ್ತೀಚಿನ ದಿನಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ವಿಪರೀತವಾಗಿ ಹೆಚ್ಚುತ್ತಲಿದೆ. ಇಂತಹವರ ಪೂರ್ವಾಪರಗಳನ್ನು ಪರಿಶೀಲಿಸದೆ ಅವರು ಉಲಿದ ಮಾತುಗಳನ್ನು, ಬರೆದ ಸಾಲುಗಳನ್ನು ಟಿವಿಯಲ್ಲಿ 'ಬ್ರೇಕಿಂಗ್ ನ್ಯೂಸ್' ಗಳಾಗಿ, ಪತ್ರಿಕೆಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಮುಖಪುಟದ ಶೀರ್ಷಿಕೆಗಳಾಗಿ ಬಿತ್ತರಿಸುವ ನಮ್ಮ ಮಾಧ್ಯಮಗಳೇ ಇವರಿಷ್ಟು ಬೆಳೆಯಲು ಕಾರಣವೆಂದರೆ ತಪ್ಪಾಗದೇನೋ? ಇನ್ನೊಂದೆಡೆ ಇಂತಹವರ ಹೇಳಿಕೆಗಳನ್ನು ಪ್ರಶ್ನಿಸದೇ ಇರುವ ಮೂಲಕ, ತಜ್ಞ ವೈದ್ಯರುಗಳೂ ಕೂಡ ಇವರ ವರ್ಚಸ್ಸಿನ ವರ್ಧನೆಗೆ ಪರೋಕ್ಷವಾಗಿ ಕಾರಣರಾಗುತ್ತಿದ್ದಾರೆ.

ಕೆಲ ದಿನಗಳ ಹಿಂದೆ ಅಸ್ತಮಾದ ಕುರಿತಾದ ಕಾರ್ಯಕ್ರಮವೊಂದರಲ್ಲಿ ಭಾಗವಹಿಸಿದ್ದೆ. ಅಸ್ತಮಾ ಚಿಕಿತ್ಸೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ಯೋಗದ ಪಾತ್ರದ ಬಗ್ಗೆಯೂ ಒಬ್ಬರು ಮಾತಾಡಿದರು. ಕಪಾಲಬಾತಿಯೆಂಬ ಕ್ರಿಯೆಯಿಂದ ಶ್ವಾಸಕೋಶಗಳು ಶುದ್ಧಗೊಂಡು ರಕ್ತದಿಂದ ಅಂಗಾರಾಮ್ಲವು ಶುದ್ಧಗೊಳ್ಳುತ್ತದೆಯೆಂದೆಲ್ಲ ಅವರು ವಿವರಿಸುತ್ತಿದ್ದರು. (ಈ ಕಪಾಲಬಾತಿಯನ್ನು ಯೋಗದ ಬಾಬಾ ಒಬ್ಬರು ಟಿವಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಬಹಳಷ್ಟು ಪ್ರಚುರಪಡಿಸಿದ್ದಾರೆ) ಅವರ ವಿವರಣೆಯನ್ನು ಕೇಳುತ್ತಿದ್ದಂತೆ, ಈ ಕ್ರಿಯೆಯಿಂದಾಗಿ ರಕ್ತದ ಅಂಗಾರಾಮ್ಲದ ಪ್ರಮಾಣವು ತೀರಾ ಕಡಿಮೆಯಾಗಿ ತೀವ್ರವಾದ ತೊಂದರೆಗಳಾಗಬಹುದಲ್ಲವೇ ಎಂದಾಗ, ಹೃದ್ರೋಗಿಗಳು ಇದನ್ನು ಮಾಡದಿರುವುದು ಒಳ್ಳೆಯದು ಎಂದು ಅವರು ನುಣುಚಿಕೊಂಡರು!
ಆದ್ದರಿಂದ, ಇಂತಹ 'ಸರ್ವರೋಗ ನಿವಾರಕ' ಉಪಾಯಗಳನ್ನು ಪ್ರಚುರಪಡಿಸುವ ಮೊದಲು ಅವುಗಳ ಸಾಧಕ-ಬಾಧಕಗಳ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ನಿಖರವಾದ ಸಂಶೋಧನೆಗಳಾಗಬೇಕಾದದ್ದು ಅತ್ಯಗತ್ಯ. ಆದರೆ ಬೆಕ್ಕಿನ ಕೊರಳಿಗೆ ಗಂಟೆಯನ್ನು ಕಟ್ಟುವರಾರು?!

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